I read a post about Winworldpc on this forum. Then I went to the site. I think that because winworldpc was posted here, emaculation accepts winworldpc. After looking at the front page, it seems legal.

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=7549&p=42880#p42880

I found StuffIt Deluxe 4.5 for download there. But it is a ISO file.

I don't know how to use it. The Setting up Basilisk II for 142 Windows guide notes about using ISO files:

"Detour for 64-Bit Windows users only
As 64 bit windows machines can't use the cd rom driver, you need to create an image of the Mac OS install CD. You can do this with e.g. Nero.
In order to boot from the CD image, you have to edit the Basilisk142 preferences file. It is located in your Basilisk142 folder, and is called “BasiliskII_prefs”.

Click OK in the Basilisk GUI. This will save the current preferences.
Click Cancel to close the GUI.
Edit the preferences file with e.g. Notepad and set the cdrom entry to the path to the Mac OS install CD-Rom image. Save the file. See below for an example:

http://www.emaculation.com/lib/exe/fetc ... os8_6a.png"

It also says "On 32-bit Windows systems you can boot from a Mac OS Install CD-ROM. On 64-Bit Windows systems, you can't use a real CD. And for Basilisk 142, there is a trick needed to boot from a Mac OS Install CD-ROM. It is described in the section “Detour for 64-Bit Windows users only”. "

It doesn't say if all Basilisk 142 users need to do this, or only 64- bit Windows users.

The whole guide doesn't say what do with ISO files that are that of a application, StuffIt Deluxe 4.5. Otherwise, it says about using a Mac OS 8 install CD. You have to have a Mac OS 8 install CD and insert it:

"At “Available cd's” select the driveletter of your CD ROM drive that will contain your Mac OS 8 install CD and click the arrows pointing left. The CD drive letter shows up under “Installed cd's”
Insert your Mac OS 8 CD in the CD/DVD drive you indicated in the step above"

I put cdenable.sys in \windows\system32\drivers and then clicked CD-ROM enabled. Then I clicked my CD drive letter and clicked the arrow pointing left so it went to the list of Installed Cds.

I inserted a CD-ROM with Sapphire drivers. Basilisk would look violet when it started and then System 7.5 start normally. I tried with a Documentation library CD that would mean I would see a gray screen in Basilisk for a while before System 7.5 would load. Then a dialog box would claim the CD-ROM was unreadable. And ask me if I wanted to initialize it. Both CDs asked if I wanted to initialize.

Does this mean CD-ROMs don't work? I have a 32-bit bit Windows version, so they should work. Or is it because my version of Basilisk II is older than the August 27, 2008 version?

My version of Basilisk II 142 is old. The modification date of Basilisk II.exe is 22.7.2001. I don't have the full version of System 7.5, instead I have something that contains only a few Control Panels. My System 7.5 doesn't have the Control Strip either. Like the one here: http://www.emaculation.com/lib/exe/fetc ... ilisk8.jpg. My version of System 7.5 comes from a hfv file called Starterdisk.hfv. My versions System folder is only 9.6 MB in size, and contains only 109 files. I see that the full System 7.5.3 takes 37,954 MB: http://www.emaculation.com/lib/exe/fetc ... ilisk7.jpg. My version of System 7.5 is System 7.5.5.

Should I use the version in Setting up Basilisk 142 for Windows instead? I already downloaded it. I could then follow the instructions in Setting up Basilisk 142 for Windows.

I would need StuffIt Deluxe 4.5 to compress a plug-in I made for Escape Velocity. I used Dropstuff. It creates a file called Archive.sit. But if you double click that, you get a message that the application that created the file can't be found. Even if the type /creator codes exist: SIT5 SIT!. Also, if you drop it on Stuffit Expander, you will get a extra plug-in that has .1 at the end of the file name. The extra plug-in is otherwise exactly the same. Slightly longer description here: http://www.ambrosiasw.com/forums/index. ... &p=2099357. I am hoping that StuffIt Deluxe does not create .1 plug-ins.

So, how can I use the StuffIt Deluxe ISO file in Basilisk? By burning it to a disc with Nero and then adding the file to the Basilisk II preferences file? Then I would type cdrom and then where the file is.

Winworldpc has abandonware. Applications and operating systems. I can't buy StuffIt Deluxe 4.5, because Aladdin Systems no longer exists. It changed into Allume and then SmithMicro. Version 4.5 is no longer for sale, I get a new version when I click StuffIt Deluxe for Mac under Products. Therefore SmithMicro loses no money if I use the old version. So I have no officially legal way of getting version 4.5. Oh, and the version I can buy is only for Mac OS X 10.5 or newer.

So I hope I get help on how to use the ISO file in Basilisk. I have no way of buying it, as I described.

If I could actually install StuffIt Deluxe 4.5, then I could give the Ambrosia forum members the plug-in without a .1 plug-in. I hope at least, that StuffIt Deluxe would be better. Ambrosia Software is the corporation that made it, and people can download the file there from a place called Add-ons.

Yes, CD-ROMs should work since you have a 32-bit version of Windows and put cdenable.sys in the right spot. You might be missing one of the necessary extensions for CD-ROM access since you have a limited version of System 7.5, however. (Joke Ridge might work.)


I don't think Stuffit Deluxe will help you. This sounds more like a problem with how Stuffit Expander and/or DropStuff is configured. Can you upload your .sit somewhere so we can take a look at how it is compressed?

You use it exactly the same way you would use an image of a Mac OS CD-ROM. There is no difference.

It also occurs to me that should probably be SITD SIT!.
http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/ ... _archives/

The reason CD-ROM doesn't work is that I don't have a full version of System 7.5? That might be. I'll try Joke Ridge. Why is it called joke? Joke makes me think of jokes. Or is it because it supports both Joliet and Rock Ridge, and the name is taken from both of those?

I uploaded the archive to my Skydrive. Here is the link: https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=7 ... 66B274!163 The file name is Archive.sit.

I made it public, so you should have no problems. Tell me if you can't access the file, and I'll make the folder public too.

That means I'll try putting cdrom in Basilisk IIs preferences file, and the path to the StuffIt Deluxe ISO. Thanks for the idea! Or at least I think so. I know of no other way to use a image of a Mac OS CD-ROM than that. Or it is used that way anyway? If the ISO for StuffIt Deluxe is used in a different way than simply putting cdrom in the Basilisk II preference file, and the path to it, tell me what to do.

As for being SITD SIT!: I'll try that too. I read the article in the link, and saw it belongs to StuffIt Deluxe 3.0. I don't know why it would be the right code, because I used Dropstuff 5.5. And because StuffIt Deluxe 3.0 is a earlier version than DropStuff 5.5.

There is also this note in the Setting up Basilisk II 142 for Windows:

As you boot from CD or CD image, a dialoog appears asking you to initialize the new hard disk you made earlier:

figure 16: Initialize the new hard disk

Name the hard disk, e.g. enter MacOS8
Click “Initialize”

http://www.emaculation.com/lib/exe/deta ... _142_setup is the picture for the figure 16 text.

Yet:

http://www.emaculation.com/lib/exe/fetc ... cos8_8.png

The Mac OS 8 CD is fully working. Maybe initialization is part of using CD-ROMs? The oddest part is that once I pressed Initialize, I got a warning message that all files would be lost. Well, in that pictures all files are still there. Even if the disk was presumably initialized.

I've never initialized anything so I don't know how it works. Especially CD-ROMs.

This should be a good enough response, which especially the uploaded file giving you a reason to respond. It's much shorter than the first post I made, but then you didn't write much.

That is because the disk with the installer (which you are seeing) has the same name as the disk on which the install is going to take place. The hard disk file is completely empty and without file system when you start, but at that point in the installation process had been "partitioned and formatted" (in Windows terms) or "Initialised" in Apple terms.

You can't initialise a CD, so you don't have to worry. You can however, initialise other disks once you have started from CD. In fact, Mac OS0 will always ask you to initialise a disk if it encounters a disk that was not initialised before, or a disk it can no longer recognise due to errors...

The archive you provided unpacks without a problem in SheepShaver/Mac OS 9 with Stuff it expander 5.1.4. It contains 4 files (3 about "Kestrel" and 1 read me).


Best,
Cat_7

But of course.

Well, the archive format (and the type/creator) would have been the same up until StuffIt 5 – but you're right, DropStuff 5.5 would probably use the same format at StuffIt 5.

Sometimes (but definitely not always) it is better to get straight to the point.

EDIT:
Poking at it with The Unarchiver reveals that two of the files are exact copies of each other. Mr. Knight's copy of Stuffit Expander is probably configured to rename files rather than overwriting them, thus creating the ".1" file when it tries to overwrite the first copy of the file with the second copy.

Finally posting a answer after after thinking to do it so long.

Okay, tried to the 2 things Jorpho said. Didn't work. Long version below. I uploaded 8 pictures to my SkyDrive.

https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=7 ... 66B274!164

I tried to change the type / creator code to SITD SIT. Nothing changed, except the icon for the file looked different. Here's why: The copy of Archive.sit, which I used, still says the program that created the file can't be found when double-clicking the copy of Archive.sit. The file has no resource fork, says ResEdit when I try to open it in ResEdit. And I think the message also says that opening the file will add one. The result is in the picture below. The icon is also in a picture below. The black mouse pointer is next to the icon.

After changing the type / creator code to SITD SIT!, the following thing happens when I try to double-click it: https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=7349E61A ... 66B274!165

That archive has no resource fork: https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=7349E61A ... 66B274!166

The only thing that changed was the icon: https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=7349E61A ... 66B274!171

You mention in a edit that "Poking at it with The Unarchiver reveals that two of the files are exact copies of each other.". Well, the same thing still happens when I changed the type /creator codes to SITD SIT!. See picture below.

https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=7349E61A ... 66B274!168

The rest is StuffIt settings.

The Joining settings: https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=7349E61A ... 66B274!167

The Expansion settings: https://public.blu.livefilestore.com/y1 ... jpg?psid=1

Destination settings: https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=7349E61A ... &sc=photos

I tried Joke Ridge. I dropped the Control Panel on the System Folder, and Finder asked me if I wanted to move it the Control Panels folder. I clicked yes.

Then I opened the control panel, because the read me says it must be opened at least once if it does not start at startup. And inserted a CD-ROM.

The results were catastrophic. I saw a white box with a button called Eject that quickly disappeared. So the CD-ROM didn't work.

In fact, it messed up Windows in ways that made using a computer impossible in the normal way. I could no longer change the position of my files on my desktop, because I couldn't drag them where I wanted. Right-clicking no longer worked. I couldn't close a Firefox window, because the close button didn't work. I could minimize for some reason. I couldn't open the Task Manager by double-clicking the shortcut on the desktop. Then right-clicking suddenly worked again.

The only thing I had in my extensions folder was one called Apple CD-ROM. The picture is below.

https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=7349E61A ... &sc=photos

So I did not have a ISO 9660 reader installed. The read me says I should not have other ISO 9660 readers installed, that's why I said so. And it still didn't work.

I don't know if I should uninstall the Control Panel. Maybe Mac OS is better at reading CD-ROMs itself. Maybe CD-ROMs will work if I just press Initialize and let each disk be initialized. Cat says CDs can't be initialized, so I could try that. Or maybe I should try the option that loads it at startup? I don't want to try that, because it didn't work when I opened the Control Panel and then inserted the CD. Or maybe I should try the guide for Basilisk II 142. That guide installs the full version of System 7.5.3, which might have the ISO 9660 File Access that the Joke Ridge read me mentions. Maybe the built-in Mac OS version works better?

I'll try what the Basilisk II 142 guide mentions about the Mac OS install - burning a image of StuffIt Deluxe 4.5 with Nero. Just need to uninstall and install again a trial version, and then putting cdrom in the Basilisk II preferences file telling where the iso is.

To clarify my earlier post, that has nothing to do with the problem. Please ignore that.

When you created the archive with DropStuff, it appears that you simply added one of the files to the archive twice. That's it. That is the only problem. This is not a problem with Expander, nor is it something for which Stuffit Deluxe is required to fix. Just try creating the archive with DropStuff again, being careful to only add each of the three files once, and you will probably not have any problems with this extra ".1" file being created when you decompress it.

Did your restart Basilisk II first?

I wouldn't worry about the Windows thing; it was probably just a fluke. I've seen something vaguely similar happen once or twice with other applications; I think it has something to do with Windows getting temporarily confused about which mouse buttons and/or modifier keys (ctrl, alt, shift) are being held down, though I don't know exactly what causes it.

Okay, I have now tried both.

I tried adding only the three files once. I have three pictures of this here: https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=7349E61A ... &sc=photos

I compressed Blackthorne Kestrel, Easy Deliver Kestrel Parts, and Read me. Picture here: https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=7349E61A ... &sc=photos. They are at the edge of the desktop.

There is a picture that literally shows me dragging them on DropStuff too.

https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=7349E61A ... &sc=photos

The result, when I tried to expand using StuffIt Expander, no more .1 file!

https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=7349E61A ... &sc=photos

The problem is solved. I can now use the file for the purpose I meant it to. I guess I have to say thanks!

About restarting Basilisk first: I opened Basilisk today and saw the disk on the desktop. I could open it and even read a PDF file from it. I hadn't restarted Basilisk before seeing that. The only thing was, Basilisk would eject the disk when I used Shut down. Discs used in Windows are never automatically ejected.

The pictures are in a folder inside the folder: https://skydrive.live.com/#cid=7349E61A ... &sc=photos

The first picture is a picture of what it looks like when reading CDs does work: https://skydrive.live.com/#cid=7349E61A ... &sc=photos

Though Mac OS says in Balloon help that it is a hard disk: https://skydrive.live.com/#cid=7349E61A ... &sc=photos

After that I got it to read the disk again. I don't remember how though. By opening the control panel and then inserting disk? Then I took a picture of Mac OS saying it's a hard disk.

I tried it again now. I opened the control panel, closed it and then, inserted disk. I got unreadable disk dialog.

I had the disk already inserted in the drive and opened Basilisk, disk works perfectly fine. Though it still insists on ejecting itself after shutting down in Basilisk. By perfectly fine I mean the icon shows immediately when the desktop shows; I didn't bother to open it.

The only side effect if the disk is inserted and I then open Basilisk, is that Basilisk has a very odd looking color I can't describe (dark green?) until you see the screen that says Mac OS. Apparently because Basilisk reads the disk, because I hear a noise in the drive? The Welcome to Macintosh or Happy Mac is not shown.

I guess that means Joke Ridge sort of works... in a way different than what the read me says.

The have the CD already inserted in the drive worked again when I tried a second time. I guess that means reading CDs works?