Login  •  Register


The time is now: Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:33 pm

Emaculation wiki  •  Delete all board cookies



Post new topic  Reply to topic Page 1 of 1 [ 7 posts ]
Print view Previous topic  |  Next topic
Author Message
PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 12:27 pm 
Offline
Student Driver

Joined: Sun May 12, 2019 11:37 pm
Posts: 15
I'm in talks with computer museum to setup an emulation kiosk that'll run as many old OSes as possible (non-Apple as well). We'll need to talking with a intellectual rights lawyer to see if we can do this in a legal manner. But just to get the basic idea, if I own the copies of each OS I'm installing on the emulator, then everything is legal, right?

Also, when I installed Mac OS 7 through 9, a few months back, I don't remember being asked for a serial number. Do I remember correctly? OS Classic doesn't have a serial you need to enter during installation?


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote Post a reply  
PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 6:55 am 
Offline
Expert User
User avatar

Joined: Fri Feb 13, 2004 8:59 am
Posts: 4769
Location: Sittard, The Netherlands
Hi,

Lovely initiative! Old Mac OS does indeed not need a serial number. Neither do the new ones, as they are meant to be tied to the hardware they run on.
There are some issues:
Owning the disks needed to run the Mac OS's you want to emulate is fine, but not enough to run some emulators. Once you need a rom file (as with Basilisk and SheepShaver), that rom file comes from a real machine. I believe lifting the rom is not allowed, and running the emulators on non-apple hardware is also not allowed. Perhaps even running the Mac OS on a different Apple machine than the one for which it was originally meant is problematic.

Best,
Cat_7


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote Post a reply  
PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 10:55 am 
Offline
Expert User
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:24 pm
Posts: 5754
Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands
Cat_7 wrote:
I believe lifting the rom is not allowed,

As far as I know, you may use the extracted rom file as long as you still own the actual machine it came from.

These are still the formal rules. But Apple stopped years ago to take action against violating EULA and copyright rules related to pre-MacOSX system software and machines it runs on.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote Post a reply  
PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 6:55 pm 
Offline
Forum All-Star
User avatar

Joined: Fri Nov 27, 2009 5:11 am
Posts: 2789
Location: Emaculation.com
Another option in the near future for specific machines is to use MACE as your ROM image -- as it's a clean room implementation of the ROM and System, it should be able to be massaged into a form that can be a drop-in replacement for various emulators. Right now I think with some hacking it could replace the Mac Plus.

Of course, MACE can also replace the entire OS, allowing a kiosk to just run classic applications on top of a modern MacOS.

Another possible solution would be to use PCE/macplus.js right from the archive.org website, as they've got LoC exemptions -- it seems to me that running the archive.org library in a museum should fall well within fair use considerations no matter what the copyright state of any of the components. But then, IANAL, and even copyright lawyers will disagree on the details in this area.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote Post a reply  
PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 12:29 pm 
Offline
Student Driver

Joined: Sun May 12, 2019 11:37 pm
Posts: 15
Sorry for taking this long to respond. The project paused and I was busy with lots of stuff. We're resuming it now.

Thank you for your responses.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote Post a reply  
PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 6:10 pm 
Offline
Forum All-Star
User avatar

Joined: Fri Nov 27, 2009 5:11 am
Posts: 2789
Location: Emaculation.com
Please let us know what ends up happening! I'd donate my collection, but I'd want to be assured that you had an LoC exemption in place first.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote Post a reply  
PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:52 pm 
Offline
Student Driver

Joined: Sun May 12, 2019 11:37 pm
Posts: 15
adespoton wrote:
Please let us know what ends up happening! I'd donate my collection, but I'd want to be assured that you had an LoC exemption in place first.


Check your PM.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote Post a reply  
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic  Reply to topic Page 1 of 1 [ 7 posts ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
 

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group