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blarg
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Help me choose the best emulator

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Hi, everyone. It's fantastic to see a thriving Mac emulation community. I'm looking for some advice to help out my dad. He has kept all of his business records on Mac machines since the early 90s. He continued this practice until recently when he started to have some hardware issues. I'm hoping we can meet his needs through emulation. He currently has a relatively modern pc running Windows 10. All of his business records were created on his old mac using a program called Filemaker II. He also says he has some documents made with MacWrite II he would like to keep. My hope is be able to run these programs on a Windows-based emulator. Print capability would be fantastic. Is this possible? If so, which emulator is best equipped for this?

His current mac is running OS 8.0 (Power Mac 7100/80)
Filemaker II 1.0
MacWrite II 1.1v1

Thanks for reading!
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Your dad or you do have the choice. Both apps run fine with MiniVMac II, Basilisk II and SheepShaver.
If you should need Mac HD floppy support, Basilisk II Build 142 may be worth considering.
Build 142 would also allow using the PPC 7100/80 HDD, given you could add a SCSI HBA to the W10 rig.
Setting up ASPI in W10 may be a challenge though, especially with 64bit Windows.
Otherwise, I would go with SheepShaver and MacOS 8.6.
Printing from SheepShaver or Basilisk II is possible, alas I never felt the need for it.
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Thanks for your reply. From reading through the forums and setup guides, it looks like SheepShaver is more stable. We don't necessarily need SCSI for mac hard disk or floppy disks as long as we have a way to initially get the files containing his business records transferred from the Power Mac onto the Windows 10 machine running the emulator, which is our biggest concern. He has a bunch of old AppleTalk accessories, but I'm not sure if the Power Mac has been online since the 90's when he used to connect through a 56k modem. He also said the Power Mac has a cd drive, but we don't think it has write capabilities.

What do you think would be the most headache-free way to get the files transferred?
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If the Win 10 machine has an SCSI adapter, it should be possible to use HFVExplorer to copy the disk’s contents to an HFS disk image which can then be mounted by SheepShaver.
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Thanks for the reply. We would be able to buy a SCSI adapter if it helps the process. I'm not sure what the method you're describing involves. If I make an image of my files on the old mac, they're still on the old mac. How can I get them onto the Windows machine running the emulator?
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mabam has the how-to for setting up an Apple file server, if needed. ;)

Do you have an adapter for the AAUI-15 port to twisted pair CAT-5 or so?
In that case, I would create disk images with DisKCopy 6 on the 7100/80 of all needed files.
Upload the .img files to some free storage service via Classilla and download them again to your W10 rig.
There are more elegant solutions, but if you just want to backup once, it should do.

The downloaded .img files may be added to the SheepShaver Volumes GUI,
lost resource forks of the .img files should not matter when mounting them via Volumes.
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blarg wrote:Print capability would be fantastic.
If this means that your dad is printing from his Mac to a LocalTalk printer and he would like to keep doing that (but I very much doubt that’s what you mean), then this:
24bit wrote:mabam has the how-to for setting up an Apple file server, if needed. ;)
would, merely as a side-effect, be a solution to keep using the printer. (But there should be an easier way to do that – provided there’s still a way to make Basilisk II or SheepShaver using AppleTalk under Windows 10).
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I apologize for my ignorance. I'm not very knowledgeable about macs and my dad is of an older generation and we're still social distancing so I haven't been able to take a look at his machine myself. Here's what I found out:

He thinks he still has his 56k dial-up modem, but he's not sure if he has a provider to dial into.
According to the internet, his machine has a aaui-15 port.
He also said he has an external hard drive. I'm assuming it's SCSI. Maybe this would be the best way to move the files?

I tried looking into some of the recommendations for adapters you all have mentioned to buy but I'm not really sure what's what. Does it violate the forum rules to link a couple things on ebay or amazon that might work for us? Like a SCSI to USB adapter that an emulator running on windows would be able to access? Or a way to get the aaui-15 port connected to his current router for internet or LAN options to move the files? Sorry I'm such a novice with all of this.
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Don´t worry, your question is not that easy to answer.
Even worse, all adapter gadgets for the PowerMac 7100/80 became rare and expensive meanwhile.
I was using these kind of adapters back in the days:
https://www.ebay.de/itm/Dayna-EasyNet-T ... SweHtePAUW
Unfortunately you will need a network card with a BNC port on the PC side to receive data.
Such PCI cards are available second hand, but drivers for Windows 10 will be hard to find.

Null-Modem
As you do have a cable connecting the Mac to a modem, maybe a Null-Modem is the one for you.
Yo want a Null-Modem Adapter like one of these:
https://www.ebay.de/itm/Delock-Nullmode ... SwqDheZdYJ
https://www.ebay.de/itm/D-SUB-Nullmodem ... a7d4b7e181
Which one to choose, depends on your dads modem cable.

With the adapter you may connect to any PC that still has a COM port.
Best use ZTerm on the Mac and HyperTerminal on the PC to send files.
Files to transfer should be inside of a .img container at least.

Please look here for the apps: https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/null-modem
Do not expect a fast connection, a 700K file will take a bout 5 minutes to travel over serial.
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SCSI

Your external HDD may be a perfect solution too, if you can manage to plug in a SCSI HBA into your Windows machine.
Best look for a AHA 2940U like this one:
https://www.ebay.de/itm/Adaptec-Control ... xyUrZS2paK

The main problem with SCSI is the lack of drivers.
If you can set up a Windows 2000 machine, all should be well. But you will need a vintage PC for that.
Luckily there seem to be working Adaptec drivers for Windows 10:
https://www.savagetaylor.com/2018/02/11 ... ptec-78xx/
At last you need a matching SCSI cable to connect your external HDD.
PCI SCSI HBA usually will have HD SCSI-2 connectors.

As said above, Basilisk II Build 142 does support SCSI devices, given that the HBA is working with Windows.
My setup was with a Windows 98SE and Windows 2000 rig, never tried SCSI with Windows 10 64bit.

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Floppy

While thinking of Basilisk II Build 142, I would consider file transfer over Mac HD floppies.
If you have only few or small files to transfer, a 1.4MB floppy may do.
You may move all files without further procedures on Mac formatted floppies to the PC running Basilisk II - B142.
Ctrl-Shift-F11 mounts a floppy from the PC floppy in Basilsisk II - B142.
That way you can move all needed stuff to a disk image, which may be mounted with SheepShaver finally.
Note that USB-2 floppy drives on the PC side will work just as good as the old internal floppy drives.
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You don't really have any easy options.

SCSI to USB is expensive, seem some Ebay seller has cornered the market on these, and the 50pin is not quite the same as the 50pin on the 7100's HD, so you'd also need and adapter and a way to power the drive. Also, who knows what driver issues you'd have with Windows.

AAUI-15 to Ethernet Transceivers look to be cheap, but you are going to need another computer to do Appletalk to get the files off. Windows 2000 had this ability and it could be hacked into XP, but I don't think it works at all in Win XP+.

Get a cheap iBook and a AAUI-15 to Ethernet Transceivers and do Appletalk to transfer the files. Once you have the files on the iBook create a CD or image file you can share with SheepShaver or just let your dad use the iBook to run his Mac OS stuff.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Apple-iBook-G4 ... SwKrte5sPH
http://www.applerescueofdenver.com/prod ... ansceiver/

What type of printer is it?
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darthnvader wrote:Get a cheap iBook and a AAUI-15 to Ethernet Transceivers and do Appletalk to transfer the files. Once you have the files on the iBook create a CD or image file you can share with SheepShaver or just let your dad use the iBook to run his Mac OS stuff.
Get a pre-installed A2SERVER from here: http://ivanx.com/a2server/a2server_virtualbox.html and you have AppleTalk in a virtual machine on your Windows computer. If you have an AppleTalk printer you need to get running, let me know.
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blarg wrote:All of his business records were created on his old mac using a program called Filemaker II.
It might be worth pointing out that Filemaker is enormously popular and it may be worth looking into whether versions that can run natively in Windows 10 can still open those business records.
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