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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:26 am 
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Greetings All,

I've been using SS 2.4 to run OS9 on an Intel Mac Mini running OS 10.6.8 Snow Leopard. I use SS exclusively to use HyperCard. In a post some time back I mentioned problems I've had copying jpeg image files into HyperCard. I can paste text into HyperCard directly from the OS 10.6 side, but for some reason this doesn't work with image files. I've tried moving the image files into SS through the Unix folder, opening them in the default Quicktime graphic program and then pasting them into Hypercard. But I only get the general shadows of the image and most detail is lost. I've tried other OS9 image programs to no avail.
I have a Power PC PowerBook G4 17" running 10.4.8 Tiger and can paste files directly into HyperCard, of course, with no loss of detail (except color, since the HC environment is B/W.) The 10.4 install disks for the PowerBook are specific to the machine, but I wonder if there is a way I could use either these PowerBook disks or the generic 10.6 Tiger disks (that install on the old iMac and some other Power PC Macs) in order to run Mac OS 10.6.8 Tiger with SS on my Intel Mac running OS 10.6.8 Snow Leopard (which I prefer to the more recent Mac OSs). If that is possible, I wonder if it might solve the image problem. I apologize in advance if this question has been answered already.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:24 am 
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Hi,

I'm a bit confused by your naming/numbering: e.g., "the generic 10.6 Tiger disks" do not exist.
You want to run the Tiger PPC version on your Snow Leopard Intel Mac by using SheepShaver? That won't be possible, SheepShaver only runs up to 9.0.4. To run Tiger PPC, you would need to install Tiger PPC using Qemu on your Snow Leopard machine. That emulation will be rather slow, and several niceties that SheepShaver provides will not be available. Such as copy/paste directly from host to guest. File exchange, like with the Unix disk, however, is easy on a Mac host.

Qemu is command line driven, so you would need some proficiency with that.

There is only one problem: Our current Qemu builds do not run on Snow Leopard. I might be able to build you a one-off version of Qemu that runs on Snow Leopard, but it takes some tinkering. That means I will not be providing newer versions when Qemu gets updates.

Read up what is required to run Qemu: https://www.emaculation.com/doku.php/pp ... mu-for-osx
If you think you want to try, I'll see what I can do.

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Cat_7

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:17 pm 
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Mike Tom Tom over at Macintoshgarden just recently downgraded his 10.6.8 Mac Mini to 10.4.8 Tiger.
Depending on your hardware, Tiger is an option when you own a GMA 950 Mac Mini.
Mike will be glad to help methinks, when you care starting a new thread at Macintoshgarden - if that would meet your demands, that is.

You may also run 10.4 Tiger Server (or 10.5 Leopard Server) in VMWare Fusion on your 10.6 Intel machine, if you prefer having 10.6, 10.4 and SheepShaver side by side.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 3:24 pm 
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It seems like the main goal here is to import graphics into HyperCard. To do this, you need to save the images in a format HyperCard understands on the host side... as a PICT bitmap or MacPaint image, for instance.

You can do this using Preview on 10.6 by holding the option key while selecting Save As.

Save in an image format that existed in 1987 and you’ll be fine. I recommend converting to dithered black and white right then before you transfer the file.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:07 am 
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>Cat_7, So running Tiger with SheepShaver isn't possible. Okay. That's what I needed to know.

>Hi 24bit, I didn't know you could downgrade a 10.6.8 Mac Mini to 10.4.8. I guess the idea is to be able to keep using Tiger but with a hardware solution rather than a software solution with emulation? It would be interesting to know more about that.

>adespoton, Taking your suggestion about the format, I found that if I save the images in png (rather than giff), transfer them to SheepShaver via the Unix folder, open them in Picture Viewer and then copy/paste them into HyperCard, there's no loss of detail. So that solves the problem. Don't know why I never tried that before. :roll:

Many thanks for all the comments.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:46 am 
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I have a PPC Mini running 10.4.11 precisely so I can avoid a lot of these issues :) G4 Minis are relatively cheap these days and still available, and a Mini running 10.4.11 (and dual booting into the hacked version of 9.2.2) will run almost all pre-Intel software written for Macs :)


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