Opens fine, but only after dozens of launch crashes

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Calymbus
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Opens fine, but only after dozens of launch crashes

Post by Calymbus »

Back in January, I had a problem whereby SheepShaver wouldn't launch at all. This problem seemed to randomly fix itself, & with your help I improved my settings, etc.

But now (for the last month or so) I find that although SheepShaver will always launch EVENTUALLY, first it repeatedly crashes on launch. The number of attempts it takes to achieve a successful launch varies, but is between sixty & six hundred re-launches.

Since I use SheepShaver every day, this is getting pretty tedious…

To be clear, the previous problem was that although 'something' happened when attempting to launch, the Finder didn't seem to notice enough to give me the standard "Ignore / Report/ Re-try" dialogue box. THIS time round, I'm getting the dialogue box & clicking on re-try again… & again… & again…
…Until eventually it launches.

I realise six hundred launch attempts sounds like a mad exaggeration — BUT IT ISN'T.

Any ideas?

I'm running macOS Sierra 10.12.6, & I don't allow system updates (apart from manually, of course). My version of SheepShaver is 2.5 (for Sierra).

Here are my prefs:

disk OS9.img
disk New.dsk
cdrom /dev/disk5
extfs /Downloads ƒ/Emulation/Classic/SheepShaver_UB_20120715/Shared
screen win/1024/768
windowmodes 0
screenmodes 0
seriala /dev/cu.Bluetooth-Modem
serialb /dev/null
rom Mac OS ROM
bootdrive 0
bootdriver 0
ramsize 536870912
frameskip 0
gfxaccel true
nocdrom false
nonet false
nosound false
nogui false
noclipconversion false
ignoresegv true
ignoreillegal false
jit true
jit68k false
keyboardtype 5
ether slirp
keycodes true
keycodefile keycodes
mousewheelmode 1
mousewheellines 3
dsp /dev/dsp
mixer /dev/mixer
ignoresegv true
idlewait true
hardcursor true
scale_integer true
scale_nearest true
mag_rate 2
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Re: Opens fine, but only after dozens of launch crashes

Post by Cat_7 »

Hi,

It is not easy to determine the cause of your crash.
How far does SheepShaver get when starting? Does it display anything? Or does it crash before any window is shown?

You might start by changing this setting (as suggested in our guide):
ignoreillegal false to
ignoreillegal true

And then perhaps try to disable the jit compiler.

You can also try to start SheepShaver from the command line to see whether it shows any useful info as to why it crashes?
Or see your system log?

Judging by the name of your hard disk image, I'm led to believe you start from a disk image you downloaded from the redundant robot site?
Or did you start with an installation of a clean, fresh and complete Mac OS 9 on the hard disk image?

Best,
Cat_7
Calymbus
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Joined: Sun Jan 31, 2021 6:35 pm

Re: Opens fine, but only after dozens of launch crashes

Post by Calymbus »

Thanks! It usually crashes before the window becomes visible, but quite often you see the window briefly before crashing. Very occasionally it launches to a black screen — but this is seldom. More usually you just get to see the standard grey screen with a Mac icon — but so briefly that I could hardly swear to it!

The period before the Finder throws up the dialogue box is also pretty variable; most often, a second or less, but sometimes several seconds.

Here's a crash report from the other day, in case that helps:

Process: SheepShaver [11628]
Path: /Downloads ƒ/*/SheepShaver.app/Contents/MacOS/SheepShaver
Identifier: SheepShaver
Version: 2.5 (2.5.2019.05.04)
Code Type: X86-64 (Native)
Parent Process: ??? [1]
Responsible: SheepShaver [11628]
User ID: 501

Date/Time: 2021-06-02 22:15:07.678 +0100
OS Version: Mac OS X 10.12.6 (16G2136)
Report Version: 12
Anonymous UUID: FD4898E1-4F89-9F33-CFDB-991889E0821A


Time Awake Since Boot: 37000 seconds

System Integrity Protection: enabled

Crashed Thread: Unknown

Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGSEGV)
Exception Codes: KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS at 0x00000000fe690000
Exception Note: EXC_CORPSE_NOTIFY

Termination Signal: Segmentation fault: 11
Termination Reason: Namespace SIGNAL, Code 0xb
Terminating Process: exc handler [0]

Backtrace not available

Unknown thread crashed with X86 Thread State (64-bit):
rax: 0x0000000000e53920 rbx: 0x00007fff5eeb5618 rcx: 0x00000000fe690000 rdx: 0x00000000fe690000
rdi: 0x0000000000000000 rsi: 0x00007fffffe00050 rbp: 0x00007fff5eeb5600 rsp: 0x00007fff5eeb55b0
r8: 0x0000000000000001 r9: 0x000061800016a2e8 r10: 0xffffffffffffffff r11: 0x0000000000012068
r12: 0x00007fbff70e2b80 r13: 0x0000000000000000 r14: 0x0000000000e50920 r15: 0x00007fff5eeb5618
rip: 0x0000000000df91ca rfl: 0x0000000000010286 cr2: 0x00000000fe690000

Logical CPU: 2
Error Code: 0x00000006
Trap Number: 14

I'll try "ignoreillegal true" now…
Calymbus
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Re: Opens fine, but only after dozens of launch crashes

Post by Calymbus »

…No; same thing.

Here's the latest crash report:

Process: SheepShaver [8784]
Path: /Downloads ƒ/*/SheepShaver.app/Contents/MacOS/SheepShaver
Identifier: SheepShaver
Version: 2.5 (2.5.2019.05.04)
Code Type: X86-64 (Native)
Parent Process: ??? [1]
Responsible: SheepShaver [8784]
User ID: 501

Date/Time: 2021-06-09 19:34:46.641 +0100
OS Version: Mac OS X 10.12.6 (16G2136)
Report Version: 12
Anonymous UUID: FD4898E1-4F89-9F33-CFDB-991889E0821A


Time Awake Since Boot: 27000 seconds

System Integrity Protection: enabled

Crashed Thread: 0 Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread

Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGSEGV)
Exception Codes: KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS at 0x00000000fe690000
Exception Note: EXC_CORPSE_NOTIFY

Termination Signal: Segmentation fault: 11
Termination Reason: Namespace SIGNAL, Code 0xb
Terminating Process: exc handler [0]

VM Regions Near 0xfe690000:
VM_ALLOCATE 0000000071100000-0000000071169000 [ 420K] rw-/rwx SM=ZER
-->
MALLOC_NANO 0000600000000000-0000600000200000 [ 2048K] rw-/rwx SM=PRV

Thread 0 Crashed:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
0 SheepShaver 0x00000000085f61ca HandleInterrupt(powerpc_registers*) + 314
1 SheepShaver 0x00000000085f084e powerpc_cpu::check_spcflags() + 158
2 SheepShaver 0x00000000085f0b50 powerpc_cpu::execute(unsigned int) + 272
3 SheepShaver 0x00000000085958f2 main + 3010
4 SheepShaver 0x000000000854b8d4 start + 52

Thread 1:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x000000000b95e44e __workq_kernreturn + 10
1 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff96680621 _pthread_wqthread + 1426
2 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff9668007d start_wqthread + 13

Thread 2:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x000000000b95e44e __workq_kernreturn + 10
1 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff9668048e _pthread_wqthread + 1023
2 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff9668007d start_wqthread + 13

Thread 3:: Dispatch queue: NSCGSDisableUpdates
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x000000000b95634a mach_msg_trap + 10
1 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x000000000b955797 mach_msg + 55
2 com.apple.SkyLight 0x0000000010f95f20 _CGSReenableUpdateForConnectionSync + 99
3 com.apple.SkyLight 0x0000000011099532 CGSUpdateManager::enable_update(unsigned long long) + 532
4 libdispatch.dylib 0x000000000b8a3524 _dispatch_call_block_and_release + 12
5 libdispatch.dylib 0x000000000b89a8fc _dispatch_client_callout + 8
6 libdispatch.dylib 0x000000000b8b09a0 _dispatch_queue_serial_drain + 896
7 libdispatch.dylib 0x000000000b8a3306 _dispatch_queue_invoke + 1046
8 libdispatch.dylib 0x000000000b8a9020 _dispatch_queue_override_invoke + 369
9 libdispatch.dylib 0x000000000b89c6b5 _dispatch_root_queue_drain + 476
10 libdispatch.dylib 0x000000000b89c48c _dispatch_worker_thread3 + 99
11 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff966805a2 _pthread_wqthread + 1299
12 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff9668007d start_wqthread + 13

Thread 4:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x000000000b95639e semaphore_timedwait_trap + 10
1 libdispatch.dylib 0x000000000b8b2b09 _os_semaphore_timedwait + 72
2 libdispatch.dylib 0x000000000b8a3864 _dispatch_semaphore_wait_slow + 58
3 libdispatch.dylib 0x000000000b89e290 _dispatch_worker_thread + 275
4 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff9668093b _pthread_body + 180
5 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff96680887 _pthread_start + 286
6 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff9668008d thread_start + 13

Thread 5:: com.apple.NSEventThread
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x000000000b95634a mach_msg_trap + 10
1 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x000000000b955797 mach_msg + 55
2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x000000000a8cbb44 __CFRunLoopServiceMachPort + 212
3 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x000000000a8cafd1 __CFRunLoopRun + 1361
4 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x000000000a8ca824 CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 420
5 com.apple.AppKit 0x00000000091adf02 _NSEventThread + 205
6 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff9668093b _pthread_body + 180
7 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff96680887 _pthread_start + 286
8 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff9668008d thread_start + 13

Thread 6:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x000000000b95634a mach_msg_trap + 10
1 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x000000000b955797 mach_msg + 55
2 SheepShaver 0x00000000085b8158 handleExceptions(void*) + 72
3 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff9668093b _pthread_body + 180
4 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff96680887 _pthread_start + 286
5 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff9668008d thread_start + 13

Thread 7:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x000000000b95634a mach_msg_trap + 10
1 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x000000000b955797 mach_msg + 55
2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x000000000a8cbb44 __CFRunLoopServiceMachPort + 212
3 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x000000000a8cafd1 __CFRunLoopRun + 1361
4 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x000000000a8ca824 CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 420
5 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x000000000a90a2d1 CFRunLoopRun + 97
6 SheepShaver 0x000000000856ee67 media_poll_func(void*) + 423
7 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff9668093b _pthread_body + 180
8 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff96680887 _pthread_start + 286
9 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff9668008d thread_start + 13

Thread 8:: SDLAudioP1
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x000000000b95634a mach_msg_trap + 10
1 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x000000000b955797 mach_msg + 55
2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x000000000a8cbb44 __CFRunLoopServiceMachPort + 212
3 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x000000000a8cafd1 __CFRunLoopRun + 1361
4 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x000000000a8ca824 CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 420
5 org.libsdl.SDL2 0x000000000875a692 0x873a000 + 132754
6 org.libsdl.SDL2 0x000000000873f0a8 0x873a000 + 20648
7 org.libsdl.SDL2 0x000000000875b87c 0x873a000 + 137340
8 org.libsdl.SDL2 0x000000000875b2e9 0x873a000 + 135913
9 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff9668093b _pthread_body + 180
10 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff96680887 _pthread_start + 286
11 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff9668008d thread_start + 13

Thread 9:: AQConverterThread
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x000000000b95dbf2 __psynch_cvwait + 10
1 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff966817fa _pthread_cond_wait + 712
2 com.apple.audio.toolbox.AudioToolbox 0x000000000b3c9106 CAGuard::Wait() + 52
3 com.apple.audio.toolbox.AudioToolbox 0x000000000b3c3dbd AQConverterManager::AQConverterThread::Run() + 707
4 com.apple.audio.toolbox.AudioToolbox 0x000000000b3c3aef AQConverterManager::AQConverterThread::ConverterThreadEntry(void*) + 9
5 com.apple.audio.toolbox.AudioToolbox 0x000000000b39b5db CAPThread::Entry(CAPThread*) + 85
6 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff9668093b _pthread_body + 180
7 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff96680887 _pthread_start + 286
8 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff9668008d thread_start + 13

Thread 10:: com.apple.audio.IOThread.client
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x000000000b95634a mach_msg_trap + 10
1 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x000000000b955797 mach_msg + 55
2 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x000000000b6ee935 HALB_MachPort::SendMessageWithReply(unsigned int, unsigned int, unsigned int, unsigned int, mach_msg_header_t*, bool, unsigned int) + 127
3 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x000000000b6ee8a6 HALB_MachPort::SendSimpleMessageWithSimpleReply(unsigned int, unsigned int, int, int&, bool, unsigned int) + 42
4 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x000000000b6eb8d0 HALC_ProxyIOContext::IOWorkLoop() + 1196
5 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x000000000b6eb264 HALC_ProxyIOContext::IOThreadEntry(void*) + 128
6 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x000000000b6eafa3 HALB_IOThread::Entry(void*) + 75
7 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff9668093b _pthread_body + 180
8 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff96680887 _pthread_start + 286
9 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff9668008d thread_start + 13

Thread 11:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x000000000b95deb6 __select + 10
1 SheepShaver 0x000000000859441f receive_func(void*) + 175
2 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff9668093b _pthread_body + 180
3 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff96680887 _pthread_start + 286
4 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff9668008d thread_start + 13

Thread 12:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x000000000b95deb6 __select + 10
1 SheepShaver 0x0000000008594663 slirp_receive_func(void*) + 483
2 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff9668093b _pthread_body + 180
3 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff96680887 _pthread_start + 286
4 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff9668008d thread_start + 13

Thread 13:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x000000000b95645e clock_sleep_trap + 10
1 SheepShaver 0x0000000008590e16 timer_func(void*) + 70
2 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff9668093b _pthread_body + 180
3 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff96680887 _pthread_start + 286
4 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff9668008d thread_start + 13

Thread 14:: Redraw Thread
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x000000000b95df46 __semwait_signal + 10
1 libsystem_c.dylib 0x00007fff9651cb72 nanosleep + 199
2 SheepShaver 0x00000000085a20fe Delay_usec(unsigned long long) + 78
3 SheepShaver 0x0000000008597a7e redraw_func(void*) + 78
4 org.libsdl.SDL2 0x000000000875b87c 0x873a000 + 137340
5 org.libsdl.SDL2 0x000000000875b2e9 0x873a000 + 135913
6 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff9668093b _pthread_body + 180
7 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff96680887 _pthread_start + 286
8 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff9668008d thread_start + 13

Thread 15:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x000000000b95df46 __semwait_signal + 10
1 libsystem_c.dylib 0x00007fff9651cb72 nanosleep + 199
2 SheepShaver 0x00000000085a20fe Delay_usec(unsigned long long) + 78
3 SheepShaver 0x0000000008595bec tick_func(void*) + 76
4 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff9668093b _pthread_body + 180
5 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff96680887 _pthread_start + 286
6 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff9668008d thread_start + 13

Thread 16:
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x000000000b95df46 __semwait_signal + 10
1 libsystem_c.dylib 0x00007fff9651cb72 nanosleep + 199
2 SheepShaver 0x00000000085a20fe Delay_usec(unsigned long long) + 78
3 SheepShaver 0x0000000008595ce3 nvram_func(void*) + 67
4 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff9668093b _pthread_body + 180
5 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff96680887 _pthread_start + 286
6 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff9668008d thread_start + 13

Thread 17:
0 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fff96680070 start_wqthread + 0
1 ??? 0x000000000887c000 0 + 143114240

Thread 0 crashed with X86 Thread State (64-bit):
rax: 0x0000000008650920 rbx: 0x00007fff576b8618 rcx: 0x00000000fe690000 rdx: 0x00000000fe690000
rdi: 0x0000000000000000 rsi: 0x00007fffffe00050 rbp: 0x00007fff576b8600 rsp: 0x00007fff576b85b0
r8: 0x0000000000000001 r9: 0x0000610000179828 r10: 0xffffffffffffffff r11: 0x0000000000012068
r12: 0x00007feb46086980 r13: 0x0000000000000000 r14: 0x000000000864d920 r15: 0x00007fff576b8618
rip: 0x00000000085f61ca rfl: 0x0000000000010286 cr2: 0x00000001073d7006

Logical CPU: 0
Error Code: 0x0200014e
Trap Number: 133


Binary Images:
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First thing I notice is this: Version: 2.5 (2.5.2019.05.04)

Of course, if you're running Sierra, the 2019 build should be just fine, but we've made a lot of improvements since then. Might be worth an update to a recent 2.5.2021 build.

However, it's likely that something else you've installed is clobbering the memory range SheepShaver requires to run. Did you start running anything new around the time SheepShaver stopped working reliably?

My guess is that a system reboot followed by launching SheepShaver will work every time, but once you've run Application X, SheepShaver won't run again until macOS memory management has cleared enough memory at 0 for SheepShaver to run again. The dump indicates it's been 7.5 hours since you last rebooted before the SheepShaver crash. Also, the crash is on a Virtual Memory handling routine when attempting to load the main SheepShaver thread. If SheepShaver's attempting to load in Virtual Memory instead of real memory, you've got something else already using up all your memory.
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As a matter of course (although not this last time, obviously, since I was testing the suggested prefs edit) I always restart my Mac before launching SheepShaver. So nothing else is running, & I have plenty of memory — & if there's a reason why SheepShaver should run in Virtual Memory, your guess would be far better than mine!
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…Also I just downloaded the 2.5.2021 version (which should be safe for Sierra, if I've understood correctly), but… same problem.
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Could you supply a crash dump from the latest one? After a reboot? It'll help eliminate possible issues.

Also: the big questions still isn't answered: did you install anything new around the time you started having issues?
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I'll copy a new crash dump tonight, when the stars are in alignment.

But no — nothing has been installed recently, nothing has changed, & the only software I run is Apple Mail, Safari, BBEdit & Notes.
Occasionally I run Photoshop, Photos or Coda, but not every day, so they can't account for these daily problems. I don't use a printer.
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I would have posted a crash report as promised, but weirdly for the first time in months SheepShaver launched first time.
But before launching it asked me this question:

"The last time you opened SheepShaver, it unexpectedly quit while reopening windows. Do you want to try to reopen its windows again?"

(Obviously I said "Reopen".)

Then it carried on as normal, except that the SheepShaver window was enormous — far larger than it had ever been before. In fact, it was larger than my monitor, so I couldn't actually see the bottom part of the window (& consequently I couldn't manoeuvre it, either).

Well, I need to get that fixed…

I had thought that the "crash on launch" problem might be due to some kind of memory allocation error, although I couldn't tell exactly what, & I hoped someone here would recognise it & be able to tell me how to fix it. But now it looks as if the magic words "unexpectedly quit while reopening windows" might be the clue.

So probably solving one of these issues may solve the other. I'll be launching SheepShaver again in a while, & perhaps I may get another hint; but don't wait for my next post if you have any good ideas!
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Hmm... interesting.

Sounds like either ~/.sheepshaver_prefs got corrupted, or the OS's cache of SheepShaver got corrupted. If it's the second, your problem should now be permanently fixed. If it's the first, you may want to open the Preferences menu, validate/fix the settings, shut down SheepShaver, and restart it.
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I would start by removing this line from your prefs file:

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mag_rate 2
Then you can probably launch SheepShaver normally.

If you want to use mag_rate 2, first make sure that the window width and height are such that the window occupies less than half of your actual screen width and height.
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My iMac monitor is set (as is default): 27-inch (5120 x 2880)
SheepShaver window size is set to 1024x768
So magnification rate x2 should not be a problem! It looks more like magnification x5, which would be 5120x3840, except that then the window would be WIDER than my monitor, & it's considerably less wide. But there isn't any anamorphic distortion… so it seems the window can't have the same aspect ratio. But it doesn't look any different than normal (other than being ridiculously too large), & of course I'm asking for 1024x768 & that's what it tells me I'm getting.

Anyway, I've removed the line "mag_rate 2", so my prefs now look like this:

disk OS9.img
disk New.dsk
cdrom /dev/disk5
extfs /Downloads ƒ/Emulation/Classic/SheepShaver_UB_20120715/Shared
screen win/1024/768
windowmodes 0
screenmodes 0
seriala /dev/cu.Bluetooth-Modem
serialb /dev/null
rom Mac OS ROM
bootdrive 0
bootdriver 0
ramsize 536870912
frameskip 0
gfxaccel true
nocdrom false
nonet false
nosound false
nogui false
noclipconversion false
ignoresegv true
ignoreillegal true
jit true
jit68k false
keyboardtype 5
hardcursor true
hotkey 0
scale_nearest true
scale_integer true
cpuclock 0
yearofs 0
dayofs 0
swap_opt_cmd false
sound_buffer 0
name_encoding 0
ether slirp
keycodes true
keycodefile keycodes
mousewheelmode 1
mousewheellines 3
dsp /dev/dsp
mixer /dev/mixer
idlewait true

The SheepShaver window is now indeed the right size.

I didn't reply yesterday because I wanted to test some more. I'm dismayed to report that the launch crash situation, although in some ways slightly improved, hasn't gone away.

Instead of getting just the Finder's standard "Report" (etc.) dialogue, I'm now getting both that PLUS SheepShaver's "What do you mean by fiddling about with the window, causing crashes" dialogue. These two messages alternate, so in that sense the situation is twice as bad as it was.

On the other hand, it's no longer taking six hundred attempts to successfully launch. So far, it's only taken about half a dozen attempts.

But clearly this isn't a fix, & there's something deeply weird going on. It's not as if I'm running any deeply weird software! Just perfectly ordinary, App Store approved basics.

Surely someone else must have had a similar problem? Or… am I perhaps the only person sufficiently crazy to persist in re-launching until successful?
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What happens if you change JIT from true to false?
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Calymbus wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:18 pm My iMac monitor is set (as is default): 27-inch (5120 x 2880)
SheepShaver window size is set to 1024x768
So magnification rate x2 should not be a problem! It looks more like magnification x5, which would be 5120x3840, except that then the window would be WIDER than my monitor, & it's considerably less wide. But there isn't any anamorphic distortion… so it seems the window can't have the same aspect ratio. But it doesn't look any different than normal (other than being ridiculously too large), & of course I'm asking for 1024x768 & that's what it tells me I'm getting.
On a high resolution (Retina) screen, a 1024x768 SheepShaver window will occupy around twice that size in pixels. So, yes, adding a 2x magnification rate will again double that size.

Instead of getting just the Finder's standard "Report" (etc.) dialogue, I'm now getting both that PLUS SheepShaver's "What do you mean by fiddling about with the window, causing crashes" dialogue.
Huh? What kind of dialog is that? I have never seen it and never heard of it.
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Sorry; I was paraphrasing for humorous effect — a strategy always fraught with peril. The actual dialogue reads:

"The last time you opened SheepShaver, it unexpectedly quit while reopening windows. Do you want to try to reopen its windows again?"

However, last night SheepShaver launched without crashing — the first time in months, to my great surprise & relief. I think it would be premature to declare this issue resolved, though, since without an explanation, who can predict what will happen next?
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Hm. Try this:
In macOS System Preferences > General, check the box "Close windows when quitting an app."
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Interesting suggestion! Thanks again. I won't try it, though, until SheepShaver next displays 'crash on launch' behaviour (which most likely will be tonight).

I'm just trying to think which apps I run which prefer to have windows re-opened on launch; the only one I can think of at the moment is BBEdit, but that's no big deal.

But surely many other people will leave "Close windows when quitting" unchecked? And of course this is a system-wide fix for a local bug. But I appreciate it may help to pinpoint the trouble… so I'll try it immediately after the very next time I get a launch crash.
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After a few more days of testing, I found that "Close windows when quitting an app" didn't make any difference (except to the Finder, which has now closed all my carefully-curated windows!).
So I'm switching that off again, from today…

The current situation is that Sheepshaver is going through about half a dozen launch crashes before launching successfully.
This is, of course, significantly better than six hundred!
But I'm not sure what's changed, & the possibility that things may get as bad as that in future can't be discounted.

On each launch crash, I now get TWO dialogue boxes to click on; the Finder's, & Sheepshaver's "unexpectedly quit while reopening windows".
Which is not an improvement on the original situation, where I only had to click on the Finder's box!
Two boxes, now, instead of one.
But… swings & roundabouts.

The Sheepshaver dialogue specifically draws our attention to the window as being crucial to the issue, & naturally one might wonder what it is about opening windows that might cause a problem. But it occurred to me that perhaps the opposite might be equally well true; what if it's the app failing to close windows properly upon quitting that's causing all the trouble? What if closing the window upon quitting is causing a premature crash before Sheepshaver has 'signed off'? Could this leave some unfinished business, which upon reopening the app causes it to crash again? And this could then perpetuate itself, launch after launch…

I don't know enough about coding to tell if this idea has merit or is just ridiculous, but my training in logic tells me at least to suggest it as a possibility.
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1. You have both scale_integer and scale_nearest set to true, so I suppose you use a Retina screen. Right?

2. Try upgrading to the 21 April 2021 build, which is recommended for OSX 10.9 through macOS 11.
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Thank you! Yes, it's a retina screen.
But (unless I've missed some crucial info) that IS the build I'm using; I updated it when that one was recommended earlier in the thread.
The behaviour post-update is only slightly different to before; that was when the window magnification suddenly became an issue (although now sorted).

Keen for more suggestions, though…!
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OK. I read back in the thread and noticed that you used the 4 May 2019 build. I missed the upgrade to the latest build for Intel.

So far, I really have no idea what could be the issue with your setup. I am involved with SheepShaver since 2006 and I never before heard of anything like this. It is similar to what can happen when "Ignore Illegal Memory Accesses" is not enabled, but you have that enabled.

Do you use a basic setup or did you set up a .sheepvm virtual machine?

How do you quit SheepShaver, shut down the emulated machine, after use?

How often do you restart your host machine?

Exactly at which moment do the crashes occur? Does SheepShaver crash without even showing a window? Does a window appear? If so, how far does startup proceed? Is this a crash of the SheepShaver application itself, or does the emulated machine crash, followed by SheepShaver application crashing?
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As I don't know what a "sheepvm virtual machine" is, I presume I'm using the basic setup!

But your other questions are particularly appropriate, because last night (after thirteen launch crashes — twenty-six dialogue boxes!) at the end of the session, instead of selecting "Shut Down" from the menu as usual, I decided to see what would happen if I chose "Restart" instead.

And the answer is: it does something completely different!

Normally when starting up, if it crashes I either see nothing at all or a very brief flash of the grey startup screen (with the 'Mac' icon in the centre). If it ever gets any further than that, then it's fine — & doesn't crash.

(Having said that, a couple of times it's launched to a completely black screen, which is of course a different kind of crash. But only two, or at the most three, times in all the time I've been testing.)

However, on restarting, it got as far as the full desktop — with background pattern, menus, icons, etc. — for perhaps as long as a full second, & then disappeared completely.

And curiously, the Finder didn't see anything worth mentioning about this. It must have taken it for a normal shutdown, because there was no "crash" dialogue box.

I restart my iMac at least once a day (I shut down overnight), but recently twice, because SheepShaver is the last app I run — & now I always restart before attempting a launch.

Perhaps the reason you've never encountered this issue before is simply because when SheepShaver crashes on launch, most people don't try again? Or only a couple of times?
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There are many reasons why SheepShaver can, or even will always, crash on launch or during startup. These have been discussed here again and again over the years in various topics. But none apply to what you experience.

Restarting should work normally. It can be used for instance after making changes to MacOS system extensions. It should never be used after making changes to SheepShaver preferences.

Could the problem be in your virtual HD? Maybe you should try and set up SheepShaver with a new HD image and do a fresh MacOS installation.
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I updated SheepShaver a few days ago, as you noted.
Today I downloaded the New World ROM from Redundant Robot, & to all intents & purposes the replacement download is identical to the previous — but I figured "better safe than sorry". If the problem was due to the old version becoming corrupt, at least I've now fixed THAT.

That leaves:

New.dsk 2.1Gb
OS9.img 125.8Mb
ppc.log zero bytes
(All the above last modified last night, when I last used SheepShaver)

keycodes 9Kb last modified 2020 03 19
Session 1.cdr 724.2Mb last modified 2013 03 24

I can't see how the keycodes (I only use UK English) or the ppc.log files (zero bytes!) could possibly do any harm, so I haven't attempted to replace them.

That leaves:

New.dsk 2.1Gb
OS9.img 125.8Mb
Session 1.cdr 724.2Mb

To be honest, I'm not absolutely clear what these are — I must have known once upon a time, obviously — but presumably they're different types of disc images. I'm happy to replace them in case they're corrupt or something, but naturally I'm concerned for my data (just apps & preferences, basically) which I'll need to back-up somewhere & then re-install them.

I tried looking in Macintosh Garden for Mac OS 9.0.4, as per the "Setting Up SheepShaver" page, but the old site is gone & the new one seems to have complications regarding which download is which.
I'm not trying to avoid your last question; I'm just not entirely sure what's what (although I'm trying my best to catch up/remember!), & better safe than sorry…
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