SheepShaver runs OS9!

[ShadowFox]

Just got an email update through the BasiliskII mailing list- SheepShaver has been updated in CVS to support up to MacOS 9.0.4!!

I've already compiled and here's the result:

[lilmul123]

WOOT! its ashame its linux only, or I'd get it. SheepShaver and PearPC should combine to become one great, powerful PPC emulator that can run all systems from 7.5.5 to 10.3.4, and on Windows

[ShadowFox]

It is possible to run it via colinux and cygwin on Windows. I'm working on an easier way though. If it works out, I'll put together an all-in-one package/zip file, just unzip to a certain folder and go! In any case, I've been playing Escape Velocity (the genuine, the original, not override or nova ) for about an hour, and it's been as stable as a rock! With sound support and everything!

[lilmul123]

awesome, let us know when u got it! I'd love to try an alternative to PearPC.

[mike]

shadowfox: an easy, but bandwidth consuming option would be to include a complete disc image with X, Gnome, Sheepshaver, and the basic system utils(bash, gcc etc). The image would be 3gb+ at minimum though. maybe sourceforge would host it? hehehe

[Sea Bass]

I know this has probaly been said around a million times, but it'd be cool if there was someone that had the skillz and was intrested in porting sheepshaver to windows, and it would be really really cool if there was a way , as posted above, to combine Pear and SheepShaver to make a super PPC emulator

[ShadowFox]

shadowfox: an easy, but bandwidth consuming option would be to include a complete disc image with X, Gnome, Sheepshaver, and the basic system utils(bash, gcc etc). The image would be 3gb+ at minimum though. maybe sourceforge would host it? hehehe

That's just it though- you wouldn't need gcc, or gnome. All you'd need is a kernel, the precompiled binaries for SheepShaver, and potentially X (depending on how my tests turn out, it may be easier/smaller to use cygwin's X server, and do an "export DISPLAY=.........." on the emulated linux. I don't have a boatload of time, but if I can get the premise to work, it would definitely be a big step in getting SheepShaver working productively in Windows.

[huntedsnake]

Thanks ShadowFox for updating us. This is a great news for all SheepShaver fans, i personally think that SheepShaver is more useful than PearPC and it supports everything. It runs very fast on my 3.4Ghz Pentium4 PC, and now it can run Mac OS 9 !! wow !!

Since, it runs in Linux, this is a great news for Linux users as well, becuz now they can run software like Adobe Photoshop and Dreamweaver becuz i know there is no alternative for these apps in linux. Sure there are some apps available for linux in these categories but they are nothing compared to these professional apps.

[trygvebw]

Since, it runs in Linux, this is a great news for Linux users as well, becuz now they can run software like Adobe Photoshop.

Gimp.

Sure there are some apps available for linux in these categories but they are nothing compared to these professional apps.

Hm.


Does anyone know if 9.2 will be supported soon?

[Mac Emu]

It is possible to run it via colinux and cygwin on Windows.

What!? You got SheepShaver to run on Cygwin?! Can you provide a binary?

I only get this far ...

I am going to run ./configure with no arguments - if you wish
to pass any to it, please specify them on the ./autogen.sh command line.
processing .
configure.in:189: warning: AC_TRY_RUN called without default to allow cross comp
iling
configure.in:189: warning: AC_TRY_RUN called without default to allow cross comp
iling
+ Running 'configure ':
** If you wish to pass arguments to ./configure, please
** specify them on the command line.
creating cache ./config.cache
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checking for gcc... gcc
checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... yes
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checking for a BSD compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
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-dga.
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[huntedsnake]

It is possible to run it via colinux and cygwin on Windows. I'm working on an easier way though. If it works out, I'll put together an all-in-one package/zip file, just unzip to a certain folder and go! In any case, I've been playing Escape Velocity (the genuine, the original, not override or nova ) for about an hour, and it's been as stable as a rock! With sound support and everything!

Dear ShadowFox,

SheepShaver works with CoLinux, but it doesn't compile under Cygwin. Many people have tried to do this and failed, including myself. I have successfully compiled PearPC CVS and SDL builds in cygwin, but compiling sheepshaver always fails.

If u succeed in compiling sheepshaver for windows, u will be as famous as Gwenole himself, and please proivide us with the latest binaries u have compiled, we like to try them too. Anyway, thanks for the information, looking forward for some more interesting news from you.

[robojam]

Maybe it was just a mistake in writing that it would work under Cygwin, as I think it would be pretty big news if anyone could get it to work.

[ShadowFox]

What I meant is it can run in any linux environment over win32, e.g. colinux. What I'm working on is using a full fledged emulator like Bochs to prepare a complete package including SheepShaver, and any necessary software. I also meant it can be "used" with Cygwin at the display level. I can export my linux box's display to show up in Cygwin's X server on Windows.

[CaptainValor]

Well I'm sure as stoked about this as you guys are. But until a Win32 binary comes out, I'll reserve judgement.

[jhkl]

Two minor questions:

1) Since OS 9.0 is supported, would 9.2 work as well? I thought 9.2 was just a minor upgrade to OS 9. I don't own either, but I was considering getting a copy off eBay and I was just wondering.

2) What ROM file did you use? Is there one on the OS 9 CD that can be used, or did you use the one of the OS 8.6 CD? I don't own a Macintosh or OS 8.x or 9.x, so I am looking for a legal ROM that I can use. The ones off MOL don't work because they are not 4 MB in size. I'm just curious what you used.

Thanks in advance.

[mike]

Two minor questions:

1) Since OS 9.0 is supported, would 9.2 work as well? I thought 9.2 was just a minor upgrade to OS 9. I don't own either, but I was considering getting a copy off eBay and I was just wondering.

2) What ROM file did you use? Is there one on the OS 9 CD that can be used, or did you use the one of the OS 8.6 CD? I don't own a Macintosh or OS 8.x or 9.x, so I am looking for a legal ROM that I can use. The ones off MOL don't work because they are not 4 MB in size. I'm just curious what you used.

Thanks in advance.

i think you use the same rom as with 8.6(the ver 1.6 newworld rom) b/c of what gwenole said on the os emulation fourms

hope that helps,
mike

[mike]

shadowfox: an easy, but bandwidth consuming option would be to include a complete disc image with X, Gnome, Sheepshaver, and the basic system utils(bash, gcc etc). The image would be 3gb+ at minimum though. maybe sourceforge would host it? hehehe

That's just it though- you wouldn't need gcc, or gnome. All you'd need is a kernel, the precompiled binaries for SheepShaver, and potentially X (depending on how my tests turn out, it may be easier/smaller to use cygwin's X server, and do an "export DISPLAY=.........." on the emulated linux. I don't have a boatload of time, but if I can get the premise to work, it would definitely be a big step in getting SheepShaver working productively in Windows.

yea i didnt really thing when i was posting that hehehe i have lots of time on my hands cos its summer but i dont know s**t about linux(advanced stuff anyway. i feel proud of myself for getting gentoo to work with my mouse heh).

[ShadowFox]

In response to whether it can run 9.2 or not- I don't think it can. I believe 9.0.4 is the last version that can concievably run without the need for an MMU. I already tried upgrading my system to 9.1. The installation went through, but on reboot it said "This version is unable to run on this macintosh" or something of the like. It wasn't a SheepShaver error, but a MacOS error. It did start to boot, with the happy mac, but then stopped with that message.

Either way though, this is cool.

[mike]

please note that this is just speculation :

if os9.0.4 didnt require an mmu then an update to 9.1 probably wouldnt USE an mmu, though it might "require" one. perhaps there is some way to get past this "check" if that is all there is.

[gb]

Actually, all MacOS since 7.something use an MMU (those meant to run on 68040+). Basilisk II and SheepShaver use tricks to fool MacOS into running without address translation.

However, MacOS 9.X might need memory protection, though I have not seen a real need so far. This can be implemented without performance loss but I can't do anything without a test case.

[huntedsnake]

Dear ShadowFox,

Can you please give me your compiled SheepShaver files. If you can upload them somewhere and give us a link, or if you can send it directly to my email "imran@getgroup.com", i will really appreciate it. I downloaded a new version of linux and so far i have Disc 1 only which doesn't contain the development libraries so i cant compile it myself. Thanks in advance.

[ShadowFox]

The only builds I have right now are optimized for Athlon XP. I'll build some generic x86 when I get home later tonight.

[ClockWise]

Shadow,

If you want some webspace to put 'em, let me know.

[Marc]

Does anyone fancy asking Lauri Pesonen to port Sheepshave as per the BII port??

[ShadowFox]

I doubt he would. I read a rather long interview with him about the BII windows port, and he mentioned he only ported it to suit his needs, and didn't originally mean for it to go public. He had a classic mac app that he needed to run, and ported BII as a result. Unless he has a need for PPC emulation, he'll probably just let it be.