SheepShaver crashes on startup

xslaugh · Post by **xslaugh** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 11:25 pm

I have been trying for some time to get SheepShaver to start up. I am using Slackware 10.0, and compiled SheepShaver from CVS. I am using the rom from the Mac OS ROM update 1.0. I insert my Mac OS 8.1 install cd and create a new drive and start SheepShaver. The window comes up and I can see the machine starting to boot. However, when the smiling Mac face first comes up, the SheepShaver window instantly closes, and I get a message in the console that tells me that an illegal instruction has been performed. I have been wondering if the problem is just that it won't work with my 8.1 cd. I do have a 9.2 cd, and but a 9.0. I have found a place I could buy 9.0, but don't want to do so unless there is a pretty good chance that that will make it so that I can run SheepShaver. Has anyone else had this problem and been able to fix it? Thanks!

Post by **Cat_7** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 7:24 am

Hello,

The rom file you are using only reliably supports Mac OS 8.5 and higher.

Cat_7

PPC_Digger · Post by **PPC_Digger** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 3:03 pm

is there a rom update that can run os 8.1?

Post by **Cat_7** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 6:13 am

Not as far as I know

Cat_7

PPC_Digger · Post by **PPC_Digger** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 2:46 pm

too bad, i don't have 8.5 or 8.6.

Post by **Cat_7** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 7:06 pm

I could say:

Just search the internet and find what you need.

But I will not.

Cat_7

PPC_Digger · Post by **PPC_Digger** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 9:06 pm

no, i wish to be legal on this matter. (is taking a rom from an update legal?)

xslaugh · Post by **xslaugh** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 11:04 pm

Well, I decided to go ahead and buy MacOS 9.0.4. I sure hope it works!

PPC_Digger · Post by **PPC_Digger** » Tue Aug 03, 2004 6:06 pm

PPC_Digger wrote:(is taking a rom from an update legal?)

i ask again.

Trombone Bob · Post by **Trombone Bob** » Tue Aug 03, 2004 7:59 pm

Yes, Apple posted the software for free download so IMHO as long as you don't give it to anybody else you can use it.

PPC_Digger · Post by **PPC_Digger** » Tue Aug 03, 2004 9:48 pm

Trombone Bob wrote:Yes, Apple posted the software for free download so IMHO as long as you don't give it to anybody else you can use it.

why don't give it to anybody else? i just save trouble to anyone who wishes to download it.

dhazeghi · Post by **dhazeghi** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 1:16 am

FYI, I got OS 8.1 booting with a PowerMac 8500 ROM. I'd guess any standard old world machine should do though.

PPC_Digger · Post by **PPC_Digger** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 4:31 pm

is there any way to get a LEGAL rom from the internet that will run os 8.0/8.1?

Post by **Cat_7** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 5:53 pm

Alas, No

Cat_7

bonehead · Post by **bonehead** » Thu Aug 05, 2004 8:28 pm

PPC_Digger wrote:is there any way to get a LEGAL rom from the internet that will run os 8.0/8.1?

No, but for that matter, there is no "legal" way to use ANY mac rom, or OS (save Darwin) on non-Apple hardware. It's strictly against the Apple EULA.

For those that say "yeah, but...", but what? A breach of the EULA is a breach of the EULA, be it running the software on more CPUs than the license was originally purchased for, or running it on a hardware platform the license does not allow.

robojam · Post by **robojam** » Thu Aug 05, 2004 9:19 pm

I'm not sure that it's illegal to use the ROM on non-Apple hardware, I think it just means that you lose any chance of support.

That is what I gathered from installing the Mac OS on non-Apple hardware, much in the same way that Dell tell you that you invalidate the warranty on all components of your PC is you install a single piece of non-Dell hardware in it.

Mac Emu · Post by **Mac Emu** » Thu Aug 05, 2004 9:56 pm

I concider it "fair use" to install and use an Apple OS I bought for $100+ on whatever I choose to install it on. Apple make their licenses too restictive so clone hardware makers can't prosper. What gives them the right to add the "Apple-only" part to their EULA?

bonehead · Post by **bonehead** » Thu Aug 05, 2004 10:28 pm

robojam wrote:I'm not sure that it's illegal to use the ROM on non-Apple hardware, I think it just means that you lose any chance of support.

No, actually, to breach the Apple EULA means to forfeit your use of it, meaning that using the software after you lost your right to the license is the same as piracy. When you "purchase" software, you are purchasing the license to use it, not the actual software. I'm not saying I agree with Apple's restrictive policy, but, it is what it is.

Mac Emu wrote:I concider it "fair use" (...) Apple make their licenses too restictive so clone hardware makers can't prosper. What gives them the right (...)

I agree that their licenses are far to restrictive... So are Microsofts (in other ways), but that doesn't mean I can use the software as I see fit, even though I plonked down a good bit of cash for it. If you don't agree with the license, your only LEGAL recourse is to not purchase the software, ask for a written exemption, or test the policy in court.

Simply deciding that it's "fair use" and using it as you wish, breaching the EULA, is not a legal option, and kind of defeats the purpose of paying for the software in the first place.

In the case of ROMs, it is perfectly within Apples rights to limit use of them to Apple only hardware. If they didn't, it would be nothing for another PPC PC maker to take those ROMs and use them without paying a dime to apple, since Apple makes them freely available on their website. The only people that can legally download and use those ROM updates are the owners of the applicable >>APPLE<< hardware. You got your license to use those ROM updates on your Mac when you purchased your Mac.

If you don't own a Mac, you don't have a license to use those ROMs. If you do own a Mac, you don't have a license to use those ROMs on anything but the hardware they were licensed to. Unfortunately, there is no gray area.

PPC_Digger · Post by **PPC_Digger** » Thu Aug 05, 2004 10:50 pm

i have seen a petition for apple to make os 8.1 free, and i hope it will cause them to, so i can emulate os 8.1 in basilisk ii freely.
i also hope that someone will make an open-source/freeware mac-ii-compatible rom so os 7.5.5 emulation will be completely free.

robojam · Post by **robojam** » Fri Aug 06, 2004 7:24 pm

robojam wrote:I concider it "fair use" (...) Apple make their licenses too restictive so clone hardware makers can't prosper. What gives them the right (...)

Err...that wasn't me.

bonehead · Post by **bonehead** » Fri Aug 06, 2004 10:23 pm

robojam wrote:Err...that wasn't me.

Well, that's what a copy-past mistake will get ya... Sorry... it was "MacEmu".

... But, I bet you thought it!

...

PPC_Digger · Post by **PPC_Digger** » Sat Aug 07, 2004 1:29 pm

PPC_Digger wrote:i have seen a petition for apple to make os 8.1 free, and i hope it will cause them to, so i can emulate os 8.1 in basilisk ii freely.
i also hope that someone will make an open-source/freeware mac-ii-compatible rom so os 7.5.5 emulation will be completely free.

what about that?

bonehead · Post by **bonehead** » Sat Aug 07, 2004 2:22 pm

PPC_Digger wrote:i have seen a petition for apple to make os 8.1 free, and i hope it will cause them to, so i can emulate os 8.1 in basilisk ii freely.
i also hope that someone will make an open-source/freeware mac-ii-compatible rom so os 7.5.5 emulation will be completely free.

It would still be illegal to use it on Basilisk II, as would be the use of any Apple ROM. A better petition would be to ask Apple to remove the "Apple Computer" restriction from the EULA of their OS.

PPC_Digger · Post by **PPC_Digger** » Sat Aug 07, 2004 2:37 pm

they have a "apple computer" section in os 7.5?

bonehead · Post by **bonehead** » Sat Aug 07, 2004 4:13 pm

PPC_Digger wrote:they have a "apple computer" section in os 7.5?

Yes... At least the last time I read it they did.