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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 11:28 pm 
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For some reason, SheepShaver won't boot from the Mac OS 8 CD. It would go to the "Welcome to Mac OS" screen, then quit. :( How do I fix this? I am using the Windows version of SheepShaver, with the GUI.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:38 am 
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if i remeber good, SheepShaver will only work with NewWorld ROM's, thus not letting you use anything below 8.5 (correct me if im wrong). If you want to use 8, use Basilisk II (but you wont be able to use PowerPC apps tho)


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 8:12 pm 
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CFran2 wrote:
if i remeber good, SheepShaver will only work with NewWorld ROM's, thus not letting you use anything below 8.5 (correct me if im wrong). If you want to use 8, use Basilisk II (but you wont be able to use PowerPC apps tho)

Darn, although I do have OS 8 installed in Basilisk II, I wanted to install it in SheepShaver to use apps that require PPC to run, but it won't work. :( Oh well.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 2:28 pm 
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YOu can use Sheepshaver for Linux to use PowerPC apps in MacOS 8. Or maybe in Windows with an Old World ROM? I have never tried that, so I'm not sure if it would work.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 9:36 pm 
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I installed Mac OS 8.5 in SS, (it works :mrgreen:) but it runs very slow (sometimes locks up). :( I've heard SheepShaver was unstable, but I didn't think it was this unstable. :? Anyways, I'll post some screeenshots when (or if? :wink:) I can. :)


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 9:56 pm 
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Try the Linux version, it's much more stable.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 10:20 pm 
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Marc wrote:
Try the Linux version, it's much more stable.

I can't, I'm running Windows.

And here's the screenshot I promised. :wink:
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That is not a full install, when I was installing Mac OS 8.5 it was doing it so slow I decided to stop it, and then it froze, so when I started up SheepShaver again, it booted from my HDF file. 8O


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 2:32 pm 
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SSS wrote:
I can't, I'm running Windows.


If you have plenty of time and effort to expend you can run the Linux version within Windows using coLinux. Not sure how nicely it works tho.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 12:54 am 
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Would it be OK to open my HDF for SheepShaver in HFV Explorer and copy a file to it from Windows? I'm just wondering, I don't want my hard drive file corrupting. :wink:

EDIT: I figured that on my own (made a backup of my HDF just incase something bad happened), and it didn't corrupt my disk. :) I managed to upgrade to Mac OS 8.6, but the upgrader stopped when about 75% or so of Mac OS 8.6 was installed. I had to kill SheepShaver in Windows Task Manager, and booted up again. On the "Welcome to Mac OS" greeting, it said this:

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I assumed it installed enough to work, but Mac OS didn't seem to think so. :roll: When it got to "Starting Up..." it didn't load (but I still could move the mouse in SheepShaver) so I had to kill it again. Booted it up again, locked up when Disk First Aid completed it's verification and repair process. Booted it up again. Crashed as soon as Disk First Aid started. Started it up again. Crashed after a few seconds passed when the Starting Up... bar appeared. :evil: I will try it again later, but if it doesn't work, I'll boot from my Mac OS 8.5 HDF backup (I'm lucky I did that. ;)).


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 6:14 am 
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Also, is it possible to get on the internet within SheepShaver?


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 7:48 am 
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CFran2 wrote:
if i remeber good, SheepShaver will only work with NewWorld ROM's, thus not letting you use anything below 8.5 (correct me if im wrong). If you want to use 8, use Basilisk II (but you wont be able to use PowerPC apps tho)


I've used System 7.5.3-7.5.5 and OS 8.0-8.1.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 11:18 am 
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Silver9990 wrote:
CFran2 wrote:
if i remeber good, SheepShaver will only work with NewWorld ROM's, thus not letting you use anything below 8.5 (correct me if im wrong). If you want to use 8, use Basilisk II (but you wont be able to use PowerPC apps tho)


I've used System 7.5.3-7.5.5 and OS 8.0-8.1.

You have? On the Windows version of SheepShaver? 8O


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 6:03 am 
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Yea, and it runs just fine.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 11:18 am 
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Silver9990 wrote:
Yea, and it runs just fine.

OldWorld or NewWorld ROM? :?


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 2:15 pm 
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It must be old world


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 10:21 pm 
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Marc wrote:
It must be old world

I thought the Windows version of SheepShaver didn't support Old World ROMs? :?


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 1:51 pm 
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AFAIK, the first New World Mac was the iMac which shipped with OS 8.1, so there is no way that a new world ROM will support System 7. I have never tried Windows SheepShaver with an OldWorld ROM, so I don't know, but I certainly don't recall anyone saying it works..


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:48 am 
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Also, does anyone know why the color of the "Starting Up..." progress bar never changes even though I changed the accent color in the Appearance control panel.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 10:46 pm 
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I think it might be that the starting up progress bar starts before the apperance extension is loaded into memory.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 11:58 am 
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Guys, do we need maybe an iMac ROM image to run something this high? maybe this would give Mac OS > 9 a lift. I know this because I have a Mac fan with an iMac and it ran at least a Mac OS 9.2 which I assume; I have to check that out.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:30 pm 
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SheepShaver doesn't emulate an MMU, which is required for Mac OS versions later than 9.0.4. So the only versions you can run in SheepShaver (at least for the Windows version) is 8.5 to 9.0.4.


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circle60236 wrote:
I believe that this is an event that should be noted in the history books.


man i am sorry to say this but something should be done to get rid of those useless post


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 8:16 am 
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SSS wrote:
So the only versions you can run in SheepShaver (at least for the Windows version) is 8.5 to 9.0.4.


Not true, I have run 7.5.3, 7.5.5, 8.0, and 8.1. As for the ROM I'm using, I have no idea what it is.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 9:12 am 
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We should have a comprehensive Mac emulation help file (bible) to go along with this forum.

See http://www.emaculation.com/phpBB/viewto ... 7&start=25 for a list of PowerMacs that should contain the magical 4 MB Old World ROM that allows running 7.5.2 to 8.1 with a varying degree of stability\buginess issues on SheepShaver (for Windows).

BTW: Are there any PPC programs out there that require an OS pre-8.5? Or is it just for the thrill of getting it to work? Or maybe no access to a post-OS 8.1 CD for some people.

These are the Mac emulators I've used that are still being developed, along with the Mac OSes that they run (to the best of my knowledge):

Mini-vMac (under OS 7.5.5)
Basilisk II 68k (6.0.8-7.0*, 7.0.1-8.1, but not 7.1 or 7.5.2)
SheepShaver (7.5.2-8.1**, 8.5.x-9.0.4)
PearPC (10.1?-10.4?)

*Requires Basilisk II V0.8 Build 94 or earlier and a 256k Mac Classic ROM. Running Macintosh operating systems earlier then 6.0.8 might be possible.
**Requires Old World ROM from a PowerMac with TNT or Alchemy architecture.


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