System 9.0.4 with Finder 9.2.2 in Sheepshaver

yksoft1 · Post by **yksoft1** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:42 pm

Yes, though System 9.2.2 still don't work, yet Finder 9.2 (The FINAL version of Classic Finder) run under Sheepshaver along with System 9.0+PowerPC enabler 9.0.4, at least Chinese version.
I think many other updated components in 9.2.2 will also work in 9.0.4 so you can still benefit from them within Sheepshaver.

Post by **Cat_7** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:07 pm

Hi,

It would be very interesting to see how far you get with this

Good luck,

Cat_7

Mac Emu · Post by **Mac Emu** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:20 am

Ewe! Does it give you a pink anime background?

(Cool!)

This reminds me of 1999 when we were trying to get Basilisk II to run Mac OS 8.0 or 8.1 by using the System 7.5.x Finder.

Back then Basilisk II could only support up to Mac OS 7.6.1 with a buggy 68030 emulated processor. Doing the Finder replacement trick would run "Mac OS 8.x" but stuff like copying files would crash Basilisk II.

Heh, I wonder if SheepShaver will ever support Mac OS X?

yksoft1 · Post by **yksoft1** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 3:17 am

I need to try whether 9.2.2's Open Transport components work for me in SS Windows. 9.0.4's never worked (with Basilisk II Router network) and I have to replace them with OT components in 8.6.

kikkoman · Post by **kikkoman** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 6:35 am

3 words.... "YOU ARE L33t, MAN!" ... well... four words...heheh!! Nice job! 8)

yksoft1 wrote:Yes, though System 9.2.2 still don't work, yet Finder 9.2 (The FINAL version of Classic Finder) run under Sheepshaver along with System 9.0+PowerPC enabler 9.0.4, at least Chinese version.
I think many other updated components in 9.2.2 will also work in 9.0.4 so you can still benefit from them within Sheepshaver.

yksoft1 · Post by **yksoft1** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:28 pm

yksoft1 wrote:I need to try whether 9.2.2's Open Transport components work for me in SS Windows. 9.0.4's never worked (with Basilisk II Router network) and I have to replace them with OT components in 8.6.

It still don't work. 9.0.4's and 9.2.2's OT worked OK on MacPPC Sheepshaver with slirp networking, but both aren't working in SS Mac or Windows with router networking, and crash SS itself when used with SS Windows slirp networking.

JeanJacquesCortes · Post by **JeanJacquesCortes** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 2:34 am

I made the test of changing the Finder 9.0.4 by the one from Mac OS 9.2.2, both from French Mac OS 9, and it works fine.

EVWeb · Post by **EVWeb** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:47 am

Amazing how flexible Mac OS 9 is huh?

yksoft1 · Post by **yksoft1** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:04 am

EVWeb wrote:Amazing how flexible Mac OS 9 is huh?

Actually most System 7-9 are very flexible.
Even System 7.1's Finder and many control panels work more or less in Mac OS 9.

JeanJacquesCortes · Post by **JeanJacquesCortes** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:48 pm

And it's good for us, as Mac OS 9.1 and 9.2.x don't work with Sheep Shaver.

Is it possible to imagine a future version of Sheep Shaver which manages Mac OS 9.1 and 9.2.x ?

Sat Jan 19, 2008 2:31 pm

JeanJacquesCortes wrote:Is it possible to imagine a future version of Sheep Shaver which manages Mac OS 9.1 and 9.2.x ?

Well, possible to imagine

, but unlikely we will see it in reality.

MacOS 9.1-9.2.2 is very different from MacOS 9.0.4 and earlier in the way it handles memory. To be able to run 9.1-9.2.2, SheepShaver should include emulation of a MMU (Memory Management Unit). Even if someone would build such a MMU emulator, the result could be emulation with memory access that is so slow that it would hardly be useable.

JeanJacquesCortes · Post by **JeanJacquesCortes** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:13 pm

By chance, we can use Finder 9.2.2 with Mac OS 9.0.4. So we have a lot of features more, like the Windows menu.

Jorpho · Post by **Jorpho** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:24 pm

It's possible to update 9.0.4 to 9.2.2 via free downloads from Apple, isn't it? Is it easy to extract the relevant files from those updates and stick them into an existing 9.0.4 installation?

yksoft1 · Post by **yksoft1** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 5:02 pm

Jorpho wrote:It's possible to update 9.0.4 to 9.2.2 via free downloads from Apple, isn't it? Is it easy to extract the relevant files from those updates and stick them into an existing 9.0.4 installation?

TomeViewer works for upgrading the Finder.
AFAIK the Startup Disk control panel and many more from 9.2.2 will crash SS.

JeanJacquesCortes · Post by **JeanJacquesCortes** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 6:00 pm

From Mac OS 9.0.4, I updated to 9.1, but at relauch, SheepShaver crashed.

Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:50 pm

JeanJacquesCortes wrote:From Mac OS 9.0.4, I updated to 9.1, but at relauch, SheepShaver crashed.

That's right, SheepShaver cannot run 9.1 or later.
But this topic is not about updating to 9.1 or later, it is about replacing individual files in a 9.0.4 installation by files from 9.1-9.2.2, like the 9.2 Finder.

JeanJacquesCortes · Post by **JeanJacquesCortes** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 8:46 pm

Yes, it's true. I changed the original Mac OS 9.0.4 Finder by the one found in Mac OS 9.2.2, and everything work fine.

Now, it would be marvelous if we could run Mac OS X with SheepShaver.

Jorpho · Post by **Jorpho** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 5:29 pm

JeanJacquesCortes wrote:From Mac OS 9.0.4, I updated to 9.1, but at relauch, SheepShaver crashed.

Wait... Did you use an official 9.1 update CD, or the downloadable update?

My understanding is that some of the old Powermacs could not be updated to OS 9.1 without a bootable CD running OS 9.1, and that the downloadable version of the update wouldn't work (link). But if the downloadable update installs under Sheepshaver, that would suggest that it is possible to make such a bootable CD from within Sheepshaver (even though it wouldn't actually work with Sheepshaver).

Does that make any sense?

JeanJacquesCortes · Post by **JeanJacquesCortes** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 6:14 pm

I tried to upgrate to 9.1 using the downloadable version. I will try with the Upgrate CD. Thank you for the information !

symbolic X · Post by **symbolic X** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 12:21 am

I never knew that some of the files under 9.2 would run with SS! I can't wait to see exactly how it's done. I want to see a tutorial on how to put 9.2 on a 9.0.4!

yksoft1 · Post by **yksoft1** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 5:24 am

symbolic X wrote:I never knew that some of the files under 9.2 would run with SS! I can't wait to see exactly how it's done. I want to see a tutorial on how to put 9.2 on a 9.0.4!

for the Finder you just need drag and drop. No need to modify anything.

Jorpho · Post by **Jorpho** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:53 pm

JeanJacquesCortes wrote:I tried to upgrate to 9.1 using the downloadable version. I will try with the Upgrate CD. Thank you for the information !

You misunderstand me... It still won't work with Sheepshaver, if I understand correctly - OS 9.1 requires the MMU regardless of what upgrade path you use.

My thought was simply that I could use Sheepshaver to create a CD containing the OS 9.1 boot files that I could then use with an ancient PowerMac 6100 (which can't use the downloadable update).

JeanJacquesCortes · Post by **JeanJacquesCortes** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 8:14 pm

Maybe it will work, maybe no. Try to do it and give us what happened.

yksoft1 · Post by **yksoft1** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 2:24 pm

Jorpho wrote:
JeanJacquesCortes wrote:I tried to upgrate to 9.1 using the downloadable version. I will try with the Upgrate CD. Thank you for the information !
You misunderstand me... It still won't work with Sheepshaver, if I understand correctly - OS 9.1 requires the MMU regardless of what upgrade path you use.

My thought was simply that I could use Sheepshaver to create a CD containing the OS 9.1 boot files that I could then use with an ancient PowerMac 6100 (which can't use the downloadable update).

You may need to install two universal copies of 9.0 (use custom install to make an universal System Folder), upgrade one to 9.1 and boot from another 9.0 start disk, make a non-compressed image including bootable 9.1 system folder(6100s don't need a Mac OS ROM in System Folder in other to boot) with Disk Copy and burn the image (after mount the SheepShaver image containing the new Disk Copy image) to CD in OSX.

adespoton · Post by **adespoton** » Wed May 15, 2013 7:36 am

I know this is an ancient thread, but I thought I'd post that I'm currently writing this from SheepShaver -- IE 4.5 on System 9.0.4 with all the goodies from 9.2.2 (including Finder) that work, with the rest rolled back to 9.0.4. I also did the extra tweak of adding Quicktime 4 and changing the vers resource in the system to 9.2.2 -- so *most* software works as if it was in Classic mode now (except for the stuff that actually *requires* 9.2.2 APIs instead of just checking the versinfo -- not many).

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