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How long will installation take on a....

Post by macfine »

How long will installation take on a
pentium 4 1.8 ghz
and 512MB dedicated memory to PEARPC (I have 1gb total)?
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Post by rudefyet »

about 2-3 days...
















j/k...depending on the build i'd say 3 hours tops
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It really depends

Install the Base System - 1 to 2 hours

Installing Base + BSD Subsystem - 2 to 4 hours

Install Base + BSD Subsystem + iLife - 4 to 6 hours
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About 1h 30min for base + BSD subsystem
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Post by robojam »

It's probably not a good idea to go by other people's estimates, as other posts on the site have shown that there is a wide range of install times for similar hardware.

Basically, just install it and expect a long wait...
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Post by macfine »

thanks
I just forgot to ask what is the best build to use for the fastest installation?
Also, does 512mb make a diff. ?

EDIT: used the pre0.3 cvs build, for the base + BSD subsystem , took around 2hrs to 2hrs and 30 min to install
works pretty slow ( alot because of the effects)
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Post by prasys »

Yes of course....But not that much , you should also use the SDL Build it makes the Graphics faster
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Post by rudefyet »

beat me....takes about 4 hours for base system + bsd subsystem on my Pentium III

that's with .2 release version
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rudefyet wrote:beat me....takes about 4 hours for base system + bsd subsystem on my Pentium III

that's with .2 release version
Beat you? Are you into S&M or something? :wink:
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robojam wrote:
rudefyet wrote:beat me....takes about 4 hours for base system + bsd subsystem on my Pentium III

that's with .2 release version
Beat you? Are you into S&M or something? :wink:
lol :lol:
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Post by wiebeest »

Guys,

I'm new here to the board.
And also new to the whole OSX emu-scene.
I have been running BassaliskII succesfully in the past.
But I'm totally in love with the OS X look.
Even got myself wandering endlessly in awe on Aquasoft & AquaXP.

Now I would like to know what it feels like for real.

I have a mere k6-2 450 mhz, 3dfx voodoo3 16 mb, 384 mb.
I'm runnning Window$ XP pro.

Can I run ppc with OS X panther on this configuration?
On some of the boards I read that in theorie even a 486 should be able to run it, but in reality could my k6-2 do it?
What settings should I use? What would be my optimal settings in order to make it work on my pc?

I have downloaded PPC 0.3 & pearGUI 0.3.
But I've got Altivec, SDL & Jitc versions. Which one should be my weapon of choice?

I also have a 3 gb partition with OSX allready installed.
This partition runs, because I've tried it on my g/f's pc, which is a AthlonXP 2000+, 512mb, Geforce4 64 mb, and it worked. Also I have 3 os x panter .iso's in possession.

I sincerely hope someone would take the time to assist me.

Greetings,

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The question is not whether it will run (it'll run on pretty much any current x86 configuration), but how fast it will run. On a 486, it would run, but it would be utterly unusable. On your K6-2...well...it might be passable if you use the very latest 0.3 build. But I believe for realistic usage (as in a speed that doesn't make you want to pull your hair out in frustration), a 500mhz processor should be the absolute minimum starting point.

Wiebeest, it sounds to me like it's time for you to upgrade your system. Though I hate to endorse them, Dell can get you a system easily 5 times as fast as your current one for around $400. And I guarentee that it will run PearPC many, many, many times faster than your K6-2. ;)
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Post by Yukon Kid »

well if your gonna put out cash to upgrade, why not get a used mac that runs osx at a speed that is not frustrating..lol

then you would get sound and in/out support.

if you are just happy doing emulation, load it and try it on your computer.
just remember that you should use pearpc with less mem than you need to run xp, the reason is both os's use virtual mem and if you get osx so it is using virtual mem to run programs and xp starts using virtual mem, then you will slow down more.

or you could just use your gf's computer..hehehehe.
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Post by lord_muad_dib »

maybe it will run at 1 frame per hour :lol:

maybe your pc takes log time to execute win xp... and you want to boot an entirely new architecture on it?

like running a x86 architecture on a c64 :lol:
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CaptainValor wrote:The question is not whether it will run (it'll run on pretty much any current x86 configuration), but how fast it will run. On a 486, it would run, but it would be utterly unusable. On your K6-2...well...it might be passable if you use the very latest 0.3 build. But I believe for realistic usage (as in a speed that doesn't make you want to pull your hair out in frustration), a 500mhz processor should be the absolute minimum starting point.

Wiebeest, it sounds to me like it's time for you to upgrade your system. And I guarentee that it will run PearPC many, many, many times faster than your K6-2. ;)
Thanks for the replies, guys.
Thried the 0.3 win32-sdl-jitc version, with the newest PearGui.
Worked. :D My k6-2 450 is seen by OS X 10.3 as a G3 175 mhz.
I runs S L O W as predicted, but it's quit cool to be able to run it at all.
I had never seen OS X for real, only on pictures/mpegs and skins,
so you can imagine my anticipation.

About that system upgrade...I've allready been saving for that for a while.
I figure I'll be able to buy myself a decent system by X-mas.

I think I should be going for an Athlon64, since I get the impression that 64-bit is the future and, who knows, maybe the ppc-emulator gets A-64 optimisations in the future?

I guess I should go 1gb main memory (so i can reserve 512mb for ppc).
Then what I haven't decided yet what kind of videocard I should pick.
For now my doubt is between the Ati x800 or Nvidia 6800 series.
Of course, by x-mas the prices of these cards will lower (I hope)
for what the current review show, I've concluded that Ati rules on the current games and the Nvidia contains the more advanced future-tech (doom III runs better on it?)

--> Is there difference between these cards on ppc performance?
What are your experiances/predictions on this?
--> Any suggestions on what will be better for the ppc emulation?

--> Other things I should consider on the system-configuration?
I want gaming/ppc emulation (wordprocessing under OS X by then?)

Of the topic: in OS 8 emulation there was another emulator besides basalisk II that could boot directly to the mac from DOS. Wouldn't this type of apporach improve on OS X performance???

Appriciate the advice,

wiebeest
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wiebeest wrote:
CaptainValor wrote:The question is not whether it will run (it'll run on pretty much any current x86 configuration), but how fast it will run. On a 486, it would run, but it would be utterly unusable. On your K6-2...well...it might be passable if you use the very latest 0.3 build. But I believe for realistic usage (as in a speed that doesn't make you want to pull your hair out in frustration), a 500mhz processor should be the absolute minimum starting point.

Wiebeest, it sounds to me like it's time for you to upgrade your system. And I guarentee that it will run PearPC many, many, many times faster than your K6-2. ;)
Thanks for the replies, guys.
Thried the 0.3 win32-sdl-jitc version, with the newest PearGui.
Worked. :D My k6-2 450 is seen by OS X 10.3 as a G3 175 mhz.
I runs S L O W as predicted, but it's quit cool to be able to run it at all.
I had never seen OS X for real, only on pictures/mpegs and skins,
so you can imagine my anticipation.

About that system upgrade...I've allready been saving for that for a while.
I figure I'll be able to buy myself a decent system by X-mas.

I think I should be going for an Athlon64, since I get the impression that 64-bit is the future and, who knows, maybe the ppc-emulator gets A-64 optimisations in the future?

I guess I should go 1gb main memory (so i can reserve 512mb for ppc).
Then what I haven't decided yet what kind of videocard I should pick.
For now my doubt is between the Ati x800 or Nvidia 6800 series.
Of course, by x-mas the prices of these cards will lower (I hope)
for what the current review show, I've concluded that Ati rules on the current games and the Nvidia contains the more advanced future-tech (doom III runs better on it?)

--> Is there difference between these cards on ppc performance?
What are your experiances/predictions on this?
--> Any suggestions on what will be better for the ppc emulation?

--> Other things I should consider on the system-configuration?
I want gaming/ppc emulation (wordprocessing under OS X by then?)

Of the topic: in OS 8 emulation there was another emulator besides basalisk II that could boot directly to the mac from DOS. Wouldn't this type of apporach improve on OS X performance???

Appriciate the advice,

wiebeest
1) No, there is no difference, since PPC can't yet take full advantage of the graphics card, except basic screen drawing (which an ati mach64 - a graphics card from the late ninties - is enough for).
2) Some people are working on booting PearPC directly using linux, but it's not finished.
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Post by wiebeest »

Yeah, my 'ancient' voodoo 3 does some HW too according to the DOS-box.
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wiebeest wrote:Yeah, my 'ancient' voodoo 3 does some HW too according to the DOS-box.
As i said, i believe even an ATI Mach-64 (i have it on the other computer - 2mb of memory) can handle it.
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Post by wiebeest »

Still some questions left:

--> Any suggestions on what will be better for the ppc emulation?
--> Other things I should consider on the system-configuration for my new pc? I want gaming & ppc emulation. :D
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wiebeest wrote:Still some questions left:

--> Any suggestions on what will be better for the ppc emulation?
--> Other things I should consider on the system-configuration for my new pc? I want gaming & ppc emulation. :D
Currently, there will be no difference (and not seem to be for the next 1-2 yesrs).
As for the other things, i guess you'd want the fastest cpu for ppc emulation (i guess an athlon-64 3400+ will boot osx in 30-40 seconds), as for gaming, you'd probably also want the best, since the better you get, the more time it'd live and you wouldn't need to buy a new one.
I would recommend 1gb of ram (but make sure you use 2 sticks of 512mb so you will use dual-mode ddr ram so it will be faster, also make sure there is empty space so if you want to add more later you can without replacing the old sticks).
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PPC_Digger wrote:make sure you use 2 sticks of 512mb so you will use dual-mode ddr ram so it will be faster
It's technically called "dual channel DDR".

Don't want to confuse the chap. ;)
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