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Author:  swapjim [ Sun May 19, 2019 11:45 am ]
Post subject:  Netscape 3 under System 7.6.1 crashes BasiliskII

My goal is to run Netscape 3.x under System 7.6.1. Every Netscape 3 copy I tried (3.0, 3.0 Gold, 3.01, 3.04, etc) crashes BasiliskII.

It'll open a couple of pages and then boom, crash. After the first crash, the next time I'll try to open a page it'll crash again. I have Java and JavaScript disabled and I'm trying to view system7today.com and old websites from web.archive.org (I copy-paste the links to avoid the Archive's UI which relies on JavaScript code that Netscape can't interpret).

I'm on Win7 64-bit. I followed the guide and run BasiliskII 20-02-2015 using the included ROM. I installed System 7.6.1 from an ISO I got in Win World PC.

Am I using a corrupted OS installer? Do I need another ROM? Any ideas?

Just in case it helps, Netscape 4 also crashes.

Author:  adespoton [ Mon May 20, 2019 1:13 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Netscape 3 under System 7.6.1 crashes BasiliskII

Do the 68k ones from here work for you?
http://main.system7today.com/otherbrowsers.html

Also, it's possible you may need to try a different ROM, or fiddle with your preferences.

Author:  Cat_7 [ Mon May 20, 2019 6:26 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Netscape 3 under System 7.6.1 crashes BasiliskII

Internet access has been unstable for Basilisk and SheepShaver in Windows for a long time now.
If you find a stable solution, please let us know.

Best,
Cat_7

Author:  swapjim [ Mon May 20, 2019 10:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Netscape 3 under System 7.6.1 crashes BasiliskII

Cat_7 wrote:
Internet access has been unstable for Basilisk and SheepShaver in Windows for a long time now.

If you find a stable solution, please let us know.

I could try a few things. I need more info. It doesn't crash under Linux and macOS? How about WinXP/2000/NT/98?

adespoton wrote:
Do the 68k ones from here work for you?
http://main.system7today.com/otherbrowsers.html

All the browsers I got from system7today.com crashed BasiliskII. I disabled JavaScript and CSS before entering any website. The website that crashed the browsers is one from 1996.

Would be great if someone could test that website under Linux or Mac and tell me if they get a crash too. It's in English, try to browse around, click a few links for a minute or two.

I tried MacIRC too. The app crashed after a while but didn't take down the emulator down.

adespoton wrote:
Also, it's possible you may need to try a different ROM, or fiddle with your preferences.

Any hints as to what ROM (hash too, if possible) and what preferences? Does it make sense to disable sound, change the display settings and other irrelevant things, or should I focus on CPU, ROM, RAM, and Slirp/Router?

Author:  Cat_7 [ Mon May 20, 2019 11:44 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Netscape 3 under System 7.6.1 crashes BasiliskII

Tap networking might be more reliable, but it is a bit of a hassle to set up.
There is also the option to use the BasiliskII Ethernet driver, but that only runs on XP and downwards (32 bit).

I haven't tried both for a long time now.

Trying the older Basilisk142 might also be an option. Note that it uses different settings, so best to run it in a separate folder.

Best,
Cat_7

Author:  adespoton [ Mon May 20, 2019 6:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Netscape 3 under System 7.6.1 crashes BasiliskII

swapjim wrote:
Any hints as to what ROM (hash too, if possible) and what preferences? Does it make sense to disable sound, change the display settings and other irrelevant things, or should I focus on CPU, ROM, RAM, and Slirp/Router?


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... =840977089 for the appropriate ROMs to test.

Sound shouldn't be an issue, neither should display settings. It's likely down to ROM and networking settings. I seem to recall Tun/Tap being more stable than SLIRP, even though it's trickier to set up. We've got some people who frequent these forums who've been running a SheepShaver / Tun/Tap configuration for years hosting a server, and it seems stable; I'd hope some of that trickles down to BII as well.

Author:  swapjim [ Mon May 20, 2019 9:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Netscape 3 under System 7.6.1 crashes BasiliskII

This is great! A link to the tun/tap howto?

Author:  ClockWise [ Tue May 21, 2019 3:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Netscape 3 under System 7.6.1 crashes BasiliskII

Your post above indicates that you have tested it, but I must point out that iCab was generally pretty stable for me when I last went online in Basilisk II (for Windows)... which was a very long time ago.

Author:  adespoton [ Tue May 21, 2019 5:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Netscape 3 under System 7.6.1 crashes BasiliskII

swapjim wrote:
This is great! A link to the tun/tap howto?


The funniest thing is that I can't find the Tun/Tap documentation on the Wiki or in the forums, and yet I know it's there somewhere, because it's what I used in the past to set up Tun/Tap....

Author:  mabam [ Tue May 21, 2019 10:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Netscape 3 under System 7.6.1 crashes BasiliskII

Under https://emaculation.com/doku.php/pearpc ... n_and_help there’s a link called “Networking and Internet Connection Sharing Guide”. It refers to a guide for PearPC, but the beginning of that guide explains how to set up a tap interface on Windows.

I suppose from there it’s all about setting the right values in Basilisk II which shouldn’t be much different than step 1 and 5 & onwards in the AppleTalk for SheepShaver/Basilisk II for OS X guide.

Author:  adespoton [ Tue May 21, 2019 10:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Netscape 3 under System 7.6.1 crashes BasiliskII

Yes; the BII and SheepShaver Tun/Tap guides are identical. I thought that we had that tap interface stuff rolled into the AppleTalk guide for Windows, but I guess not.

Author:  swapjim [ Wed May 22, 2019 7:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Netscape 3 under System 7.6.1 crashes BasiliskII

Seems simple enough. I will be ecstatic if it gives me networking! Going to try and tell you the results. Thanks a lot!

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