Anyone want to add to the Matrix?

[adespoton]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... a2nWC9_t2w

That matrix of Mac emulators has a few missing bits. I haven't added Rhapsody at all, and there are Unknown combinations still for PCE/macplus, MESS/MacII, ShoeBill, Basilisk II, Fusion PC, SoftMac XP, PearPC, QEMU-PPC, VMWare Player, Parallels Desktop as well as some Linux flavours for other VMs.

If anyone can fill in the blanks and add missing emulators, VMs, or OS versions, it would be greatly appreciated. Adding notes for specific emulator versions or OS versions is also useful.

[jonirob]

Regarding Rhapsody x86, on Windows 10 DR1 (Grail) will run well in PCem v12 and 86box. On Windows XP, Connectix Virtual PC v4.1 will run it.

DR2 (Titan) will run in the above and VMWare Player, and probably VMWare Fusion, but I've not tried yet.

[jonirob]

Beos x86 5.0 Personal Edition works well in PCem v12, though only as a dual boot with Windows 95 or Windows 98, on a FAT32 partition.

[galgot]

BeOS 5 x86 DevEdition1.1, NetBSD 7.0.2 x86 , Ubuntu 6.0.1 x86 and RedHat 7.1 x86, all these works on VirtualPC 7.0.3 on a PowerBook G4.

[adespoton]

Hmm... I kind of feel we're drifting the wrong direction here; non-Mac OSes designed to run on non-Mac hardware emulated on an older Mac isn't quite the target.

Any word on OSes running on emulators emulating an actual Mac environment? I'd remove VirtualPC from the list altogether except that there are some dev, pre and related OSes that only seem to run on it.

[galgot]

Or limit your list to only Apple made OSes…
Cause if you include all OSes capable of running on VirtualBox (or VMWare, or Parallels, VirtualPC…) on the same grid, that’s a lot, and doesn’t make it very clear what you want.

[adespoton]

Yes, but then we'd miss out on BeOS and NeXTStep both of which are heavy influencers of OS X; we'd also miss NetBSD which was the contender against m68kLinux on 68K Macs and MKLinux on PPC Macs.

But if you guys are finding it getting confusing at the fringes there, I'm more than happy to trim things back. Sticking with Apple OSes does make sense.

What I'm trying to do with the matrix is list out how to run the old OSes that we used to actually run on Mac hardware that can now be run under emulation to support old workflows/software/etc.

[galgot]

What i would suggest then, is to put all Apple OSes + NeXT systems (was bought by Apple, so afterall, it's Apple now...), PPC and Intel ;
And for other OSes, limit them to PPC distros, meaning it could run on true PPC hardware, and if used on Mac Intel, it's true emulation of what would run on a PPC.

[adespoton]

I agree; making the change.

[edit] I made a compromise for now; how does the current breakout look to others?

[jonirob]

On the subject of NeXTStep, NeXTStep 3.3 x86 runs well in VMWare Player and 68K versions 0.8 through to 3.3 plus OpenStep all run in the Previous Emulator.